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USe Occam's Razor yourself... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 05:53:22 AM

Compulsion causes permanent brain damage, the heavier the compulsion is, the more severe the damage. Elza seemed dazed and in shock after the compulsion put on her by Verin was removed. Nynaeve has forgotten some things due to the compulsion that was laid on her by Moghedien. Both their cases was mild, not "heavy", so how would Ramshalan appear scot free with heavy compulsion removed. Besides, removing compulsion is a long arduous process. It Nynaeve more than an hour. Graendal is an expert in laying compulsion but I don't think she'd do any better than Nynaeve in removing it.

Nynaeve herself says that the compulsion used on Ramshalan was different from the one used on Kerb, and was less strong. And Ramshalan was indeed shown to be confused after it was removed.

Also, it took Nynaeve a long time because she hadn't woven it, and was doing it for the first time with no teaching to fall back upon.

Semirhage, for example, definitely did not take one hour to remove's Elza's compulsion.

Occam's razor states that the most simple obvious explanation is usually the best one. The only explanation that fits the facts is that the woman who put the compusion is dead.


Use Occam's razor and tell me why Graendal had her slave Kerb poison the Domani merchant. Why did she send yet another of her compelled slaves to replace the one who was killed by the merchant. Wasn't she just reiterating the risk?
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Re: Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) randfandom - 05/01/2010 06:46:19 PM 1260 Views
Re: Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:15:41 PM 1128 Views
Nynaeve's boat... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 07:23:57 PM 1095 Views
Balefire is REALLY confusing. Datakim - 05/01/2010 07:41:05 PM 989 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:52:04 PM 934 Views
I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2010 08:45:52 PM 4671 Views
Re: I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Shishka - 05/01/2010 09:23:06 PM 924 Views
Re: I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2010 10:30:42 PM 972 Views
Wasn't there a quote somewhere BlackAdder - 06/01/2010 02:05:32 AM 892 Views
Probably a bit of retconning there by Brandon Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 03:34:55 PM 870 Views
BS is definitely wrong here BlackAdder - 06/01/2010 02:01:23 AM 893 Views
Re: BS is definitely wrong here Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 03:36:06 PM 864 Views
There is another way... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 07:00:31 PM 952 Views
Re: There is another way... Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:35:05 PM 979 Views
Re: There is another way... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 11:05:26 PM 898 Views
Nope randfandom - 06/01/2010 04:36:56 AM 963 Views
USe Occam's Razor yourself... fionwe1987 - 06/01/2010 05:53:22 AM 1091 Views
and why didn't she invert any of the weaves? darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 05:55:54 AM 911 Views
Exactly! *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/01/2010 05:27:52 PM 480 Views
Maybe you cannot invert compulsion? Datakim - 06/01/2010 06:56:35 PM 915 Views
so it's the one and only thing we've seen that can't be inverted? seems a little darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:31:09 PM 846 Views
Re: so it's the one and only thing we've seen that can't be inverted? Datakim - 07/01/2010 12:02:00 AM 805 Views
I am inclined to agree with Datakim here. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2010 02:04:42 AM 1112 Views
Why aren't inverted weaves standard practice? BlackAdder - 07/01/2010 01:24:09 AM 947 Views
Balefire is so confusing Datakim - 05/01/2010 07:03:29 PM 980 Views
Re: Balefire is so confusing Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:52:57 PM 970 Views
She's dead as a bloody doornail. Or whatever that saying is... *NM* lilltempest - 05/01/2010 07:20:36 PM 485 Views
Clearly dead Etzel - 05/01/2010 07:29:11 PM 1109 Views
Re: Clearly dead Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:21:16 PM 988 Views
Re: Clearly dead Datakim - 05/01/2010 08:41:15 PM 911 Views
I think... Etzel - 05/01/2010 09:05:48 PM 961 Views
No way. Gher - 05/01/2010 07:31:12 PM 1005 Views
Re: No way. Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:31:54 PM 884 Views
Re: No way. Gher - 05/01/2010 10:16:03 PM 942 Views
Graendal's as dead as BS/RJ makes her. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 06/01/2010 02:40:46 AM 460 Views
She's dead as dead gets. everynametaken - 06/01/2010 01:43:34 AM 845 Views
Dead is my bet Sidious - 06/01/2010 11:48:46 AM 861 Views
She's dead *NM* Simon - 06/01/2010 11:58:34 AM 456 Views
Dead. *NM* AgentOrange - 06/01/2010 03:58:19 PM 462 Views
I think she's alive. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/01/2010 06:12:50 PM 893 Views
Compulsion is rather useless isn't it? Syraelle - 06/01/2010 07:44:42 PM 997 Views
It may take an exceptional Delver/Healer Gher - 06/01/2010 08:49:37 PM 944 Views
perhaps, but still I have a hard time believing Graendal didn't invert the weaves! darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:06:49 PM 883 Views
Re: perhaps, but still I have a hard time believing Graendal didn't invert the weaves! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 03:42:17 PM 928 Views
What if.. Tweak - 06/01/2010 10:41:44 PM 854 Views
I'll roll my eyes, and snort if she's alive Wotmaniac Reborn - 08/01/2010 04:21:20 AM 848 Views
Well... Heiko - 10/01/2010 03:24:39 AM 1083 Views
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