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Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower... vandevere Send a noteboard - 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM
...and the papacy in the real world during the Renaissance and Reformation periods is pretty darn amazing. You even have people kneeling before the Amyrlin and kissiing her ring...

Think of the Sitters as the College of Cardinals, and the Amyrlin as the Pope, and you'll see why the Aes Sedai in the Tower seem so ineffectual now...

If the human brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't understand it.
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You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous beetnemesis - 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM 1396 Views
Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower... vandevere - 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM 950 Views
Well said. Hadn't really thought of it that way before *NM* Bryce - 03/09/2009 12:01:30 AM 560 Views
That is the inspiration for the Aes Sedai that RJ used - I can't find the article, though. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/09/2009 02:39:14 PM 904 Views
When I was reading this I was thinking of the paralells between the white tower and Tashmere - 03/09/2009 02:47:33 AM 1183 Views
And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM 958 Views
Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. Corwin - 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM 933 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM 899 Views
Re: Really? Corwin - 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM 860 Views
So lets add a few more NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM 876 Views
most of these are accounted for above ranagrande - 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM 942 Views
Just because we don't know all their names, doesn't mean their effectiveness on the Pattern was less RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/09/2009 03:19:41 PM 957 Views
But who did the work? NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM 762 Views
While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM 786 Views
So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count? NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM 810 Views
Actually I think that's his point ranagrande - 04/09/2009 01:40:37 PM 913 Views
Spot-on beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 08:56:30 PM 738 Views
Re: Actually I think that's his point NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM 765 Views
Re: But who did the work? ranagrande - 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM 860 Views
Only one point because obviously your mind is made up. NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM 869 Views
well, yeah ranagrande - 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM 909 Views
In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. fionwe1987 - 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM 806 Views
Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 788 Views
No, fionwe1987 is absolutely right! ranagrande - 05/09/2009 05:13:39 PM 754 Views
I'm glad the real world disagrees with you NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 05:05:50 PM 809 Views
I'm not convinced that it does ranagrande - 05/09/2009 05:44:10 PM 896 Views
I don't understand your point Sidious - 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM 814 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Corwin - 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM 851 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Sidious - 03/09/2009 09:23:53 PM 796 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Corwin - 05/09/2009 09:02:47 AM 1043 Views
Re: I don't understand your point NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 09:49:58 PM 799 Views
I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow, beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM 798 Views
So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM 764 Views
I'm talking about the organization as a whole beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM 826 Views
No you are talking about Elaida NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:32:59 PM 777 Views
You just made our point... fionwe1987 - 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM 830 Views
Well, because most of her actions infringe on that "bubble" beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 09:00:52 PM 747 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 04/09/2009 09:23:09 PM 853 Views
WT has been THE single greatest force for stagancy and lack of development. Lohikaarme - 09/09/2009 08:58:58 AM 792 Views
Like I said earlier the AS are superfluous except the ones who aren't superfluous. NaClH2O - 09/09/2009 11:55:47 AM 868 Views
To a certain extent ajsr1982 - 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM 1064 Views
Definitely. And Egwene is in denial. beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:53:14 PM 836 Views
Some pretty big blanket statements NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:24:50 PM 957 Views
Without the Tower Voscaia Sedai - 03/09/2009 02:05:09 PM 722 Views
Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here. nossy - 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM 764 Views
Agrees with Nossy NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM 1076 Views
That's mostly what I was trying to say beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 09:03:52 PM 747 Views
Re: That's mostly what I was trying to say NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 03:33:46 AM 1093 Views
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