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Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower... vandevere Send a noteboard - 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM
...and the papacy in the real world during the Renaissance and Reformation periods is pretty darn amazing. You even have people kneeling before the Amyrlin and kissiing her ring...

Think of the Sitters as the College of Cardinals, and the Amyrlin as the Pope, and you'll see why the Aes Sedai in the Tower seem so ineffectual now...

If the human brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't understand it.
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You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous beetnemesis - 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM 1320 Views
Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower... vandevere - 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM 889 Views
Well said. Hadn't really thought of it that way before *NM* Bryce - 03/09/2009 12:01:30 AM 534 Views
That is the inspiration for the Aes Sedai that RJ used - I can't find the article, though. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/09/2009 02:39:14 PM 837 Views
When I was reading this I was thinking of the paralells between the white tower and Tashmere - 03/09/2009 02:47:33 AM 1115 Views
And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM 905 Views
Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. Corwin - 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM 874 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM 842 Views
Re: Really? Corwin - 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM 800 Views
So lets add a few more NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM 801 Views
most of these are accounted for above ranagrande - 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM 864 Views
Just because we don't know all their names, doesn't mean their effectiveness on the Pattern was less RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/09/2009 03:19:41 PM 868 Views
But who did the work? NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM 704 Views
While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM 729 Views
So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count? NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM 749 Views
Actually I think that's his point ranagrande - 04/09/2009 01:40:37 PM 836 Views
Spot-on beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 08:56:30 PM 658 Views
Re: Actually I think that's his point NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM 698 Views
Re: But who did the work? ranagrande - 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM 795 Views
Only one point because obviously your mind is made up. NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM 810 Views
well, yeah ranagrande - 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM 832 Views
In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. fionwe1987 - 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM 742 Views
Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 730 Views
No, fionwe1987 is absolutely right! ranagrande - 05/09/2009 05:13:39 PM 699 Views
I'm glad the real world disagrees with you NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 05:05:50 PM 746 Views
I'm not convinced that it does ranagrande - 05/09/2009 05:44:10 PM 833 Views
I don't understand your point Sidious - 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM 748 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Corwin - 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM 800 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Sidious - 03/09/2009 09:23:53 PM 736 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Corwin - 05/09/2009 09:02:47 AM 965 Views
Re: I don't understand your point NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 09:49:58 PM 728 Views
I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow, beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM 739 Views
So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM 680 Views
I'm talking about the organization as a whole beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM 757 Views
No you are talking about Elaida NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:32:59 PM 716 Views
You just made our point... fionwe1987 - 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM 768 Views
Well, because most of her actions infringe on that "bubble" beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 09:00:52 PM 683 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 04/09/2009 09:23:09 PM 796 Views
WT has been THE single greatest force for stagancy and lack of development. Lohikaarme - 09/09/2009 08:58:58 AM 710 Views
Like I said earlier the AS are superfluous except the ones who aren't superfluous. NaClH2O - 09/09/2009 11:55:47 AM 809 Views
To a certain extent ajsr1982 - 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM 980 Views
Definitely. And Egwene is in denial. beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:53:14 PM 768 Views
Some pretty big blanket statements NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:24:50 PM 884 Views
Without the Tower Voscaia Sedai - 03/09/2009 02:05:09 PM 663 Views
Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here. nossy - 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM 707 Views
Agrees with Nossy NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM 1010 Views
That's mostly what I was trying to say beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 09:03:52 PM 685 Views
Re: That's mostly what I was trying to say NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 03:33:46 AM 1023 Views
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