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Uhhh... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 03/02/2010 09:01:57 PM
It simply makes no sense that - of all people - Graendal (who was even easily outsmarted by Sammael) achieved that this late in the series, so that Rand still has to deal with her in an ever smarter way in the next books.


So how did Sammael outsmart her? She did outlive him for one, and she knew what he was up to for two.

Lanfear and Asmodean did outsmart Rand. Rand was completely caught off guard by the Dragons on Couldin's arms. But beyond that, he was completely wrong on who Lanfear was posing as.

But here's something to ponder...how much of Rand's success is based upon his awsomeness, and not on ta'varen twisting of fate? Rhavin would have killed Rand, if Nynaeve didn't act. An action she could only have done if they went to the Dreamworld in the flesh...something that Rhavin just happened to do.

Lanfear would have killed Rand in her own suprise attack if not for Moiraine's actions.

Rand would have been killed by Mashadar in Shadar Logoth if not for Moridin's intervention. Sammael's gamble to take the fight there would have worked.

Contrary to popular belief, I don't consider the Forsaken bumbling fools. Instead they are a house divided against itself. If they worked as a team...for the good of all and the glory of no individual, they would have rolled over the forces of the light. Let us remember that back in the War of Power, the Light was loosing. Hence the despiration plan of LTT.

~Jeordam
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There's one other possibility... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2010 11:42:25 PM 721 Views
But... Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 01:03:05 AM 595 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 06:19:56 AM 775 Views
Point granted. Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 06:56:19 AM 791 Views
Read the books Sidious - 04/02/2010 03:47:23 PM 764 Views
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Thanks! And I just copy pasted... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 09:03:21 PM 577 Views
Is it really that plausible? Sidious - 04/02/2010 04:18:25 AM 625 Views
Ahhh, but... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 06:22:46 AM 686 Views
Re: Ahhh, but... Sidious - 04/02/2010 06:40:40 PM 622 Views
So your name is Robert Jordan Etzel - 03/02/2010 05:53:43 PM 924 Views
But unfortunately and tragically... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 06:01:15 PM 713 Views
This thought is so grotesque... Etzel - 03/02/2010 07:20:20 PM 664 Views
Re: This thought is so grotesque... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 07:40:01 PM 666 Views
Actually no Forsaken has ever beaten or outsmarted Rand in a confrontation before. Etzel - 03/02/2010 08:50:41 PM 663 Views
Uhhh... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 09:01:57 PM 777 Views
Yeah, but... Etzel - 03/02/2010 09:21:51 PM 623 Views
But I think you're misreading the rules of the game. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 09:31:40 PM 588 Views
Rand considers... Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:10:59 AM 583 Views
I don't think.... Jeordam - 04/02/2010 06:11:03 PM 779 Views
O_O RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 09:25:17 PM 614 Views
Yeah, and this is exactly what we see when Rand kills Graendal with a force of light. *NM* Etzel - 03/02/2010 09:29:08 PM 249 Views
When Rand thinks that he kills.... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 09:34:41 PM 628 Views
Well, then we agree, I also think Graendal is definitely dead! *NM* Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:06:31 AM 268 Views
He defeats every Forsaken because he doesn't play their game Sidious - 04/02/2010 04:23:23 AM 716 Views
I agree. *NM* Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:11:51 AM 678 Views
I think there is a sexual dynamic here RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2010 04:45:49 PM 597 Views
Bingo Sidious - 03/02/2010 06:03:19 PM 689 Views
That is not true.. fionwe1987 - 03/02/2010 11:50:18 PM 758 Views
This was a typical... Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:17:56 AM 568 Views
There was nothing typical about it! fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 08:48:16 PM 707 Views
Rand wasn't at all afraid of Graendal Etzel - 04/02/2010 09:22:53 PM 671 Views
Of course he was! Even Nynaeve and Min noticed! fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 09:32:52 PM 734 Views
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There's a difference between Semirhage's death & Graendal's (possible) death Jeordam - 04/02/2010 06:48:11 PM 855 Views
But RJ/BS brike convention in this book... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 08:52:44 PM 771 Views
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Just use the TARDIS. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 04/02/2010 05:04:52 AM 388 Views
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You're offering me a throne? Thanks Siddy, you're my favourite archnemesis! Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 06:16:54 PM 712 Views
A throne of beetles Sidious - 04/02/2010 06:35:58 PM 642 Views
How exactly do you fashion a throne out of live beetles? Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 07:46:42 PM 637 Views
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