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Re: actually it's about all of the main characters Gerbeaud Send a noteboard - 15/02/2010 06:39:25 PM
I really, really wanted to like Egwene (and in fact, my early post-TGS posts tend to support her), but deep down I just don't have that much faith in her character.

Like Cannoli said, it's mainly that she hasn't (a) had a serious challenge (because being a normal person in a world of idiots can only make you so great), and (b) doesn't show humility or a fear of power at any stage of the series.

(b) especially scares me a little, because that's a very childish trait. Children want power, but as they grow they should come to realise the costs and price of power, and temper the desire for it. Rand has struck a good balance where he takes power when he needs to, but gives away what he can. He wavered a bit from this lately due to the Darkness in him, but he has considered the dilemma of power throughout the series.

Egwene's only dilemma regarding power is how much of it she can get and how fast. She never has a moment where she considers that another might be more suitable (for example, the Gray that organised the Tower during the attack, rather than running off leading novices into danger).

Perhaps worst of all is that she knows Halima has probably Compelled her, but fails to consider this, as does everyone around her. This is possibly my biggest issue with the series right now.

Ultimately, her actions in ToM will decide whether I end up liking her or not. She does have great potential, but until (a) and (b) are addressed, I can't take her seriously. I think it could all have been solved for me if her torture in the Tower had brought her pride down to the level where she doubted her own ability. Until she goes through the process of deconstructing and rebuilding her own self-confidence, she won't have mine.


People are constantly holding Egwene to a different standard than the others... fact of the matter is they all have some pretty hefty character flaws.


As Lord Haart says, the discussion is about Egwene's actions not Nynaeve's. It is a spurious argument to deflect criticism away from the subject by stating that everyone has hefty character flaws. The manner in which Egwene treated Mat in this particular instance was self serving and mean spirited. She even admits that to herself. Mat did behave in a boorish fashion towards Egwene in Salidar but he did not deserve the treatment that he received from Egwene. In return, Mat who knows that he has been used offers Egwene an honourable gesture of recognition. Egwene, by the way, has not acknowledged that Mat saved her life in Tear.
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God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene - 14/02/2010 07:02:20 AM 2559 Views
Just like Elayne treated him so well when she kicked him out of Andor? - 14/02/2010 01:35:32 PM 726 Views
It IS kind of ridiculous... but how do YOU think a meeting will go? - 14/02/2010 07:20:08 PM 806 Views
We all do that - 14/02/2010 08:09:51 PM 879 Views
You just KNOW that rather than compliment all the good he's done.... - 14/02/2010 03:06:09 PM 678 Views
Personally, I'm rooting for Elaida's Foretelling to be fake - 14/02/2010 06:56:41 PM 972 Views
I thought she DID say "This I Foretell?" - 14/02/2010 07:24:19 PM 790 Views
Yes she did. - 14/02/2010 07:34:43 PM 1027 Views
Take a sedative - 14/02/2010 07:52:32 PM 866 Views
somethings we can agree on! - 14/02/2010 08:12:05 PM 846 Views
None of the Emond's Fielders suck up to him. There's difference between hostile and 1-upping - 14/02/2010 09:01:35 PM 825 Views
Right cause Nynaeve is always going around telling people how much Mat's changed - 14/02/2010 09:27:02 PM 812 Views
If you'll recall what Mat did 5 minutes after... - 14/02/2010 11:06:41 PM 864 Views
Not really - 14/02/2010 11:34:49 PM 747 Views
Re: Not really - 15/02/2010 03:32:06 PM 777 Views
better than Nynaeve who just lies to herself in order to justify her actions! - 15/02/2010 05:53:17 PM 874 Views
This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. - 15/02/2010 06:09:46 PM 768 Views
actually it's about all of the main characters - 15/02/2010 06:13:27 PM 762 Views
Re: actually it's about all of the main characters - 15/02/2010 06:39:25 PM 861 Views
Well said. - 15/02/2010 07:20:47 PM 894 Views
Re: Well said. - 15/02/2010 07:43:08 PM 730 Views
yet even Siuan seems to understand and accept Egwene's response ... odd that you can hold her to - 16/02/2010 01:55:35 AM 673 Views
Oh, so Elaida's treatment of Sheremin is ok because Sheremin accepted it? - 16/02/2010 06:49:53 AM 745 Views
how is that a good comparrison? - 18/02/2010 12:27:58 AM 664 Views
Re: how is that a good comparrison? - 18/02/2010 03:30:21 AM 1085 Views
watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon - 16/02/2010 01:51:09 AM 873 Views
Re: watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon - 16/02/2010 07:04:08 AM 826 Views
Alright enough. Will you read the books already? - 16/02/2010 08:03:39 AM 873 Views
Fair points, & I somehow forgot that paragraph. - 16/02/2010 05:34:12 PM 788 Views
You've forgotten a lot of paragraphs. - 16/02/2010 07:58:32 PM 884 Views
The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason - 16/02/2010 01:34:30 AM 658 Views
Re: The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason - 16/02/2010 07:08:13 AM 762 Views
I'm going to agee with fionwe - 16/02/2010 01:07:37 PM 709 Views
Same old same old - 16/02/2010 02:01:12 PM 727 Views
that B*TCH! *NM* - 17/02/2010 03:10:30 AM 582 Views
Re: Same old same old - 17/02/2010 09:32:03 AM 881 Views
Yes, but Egwene's is pride - - 15/02/2010 07:04:25 PM 750 Views
I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none - 15/02/2010 08:52:54 PM 769 Views
Re: I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none - 15/02/2010 10:39:25 PM 761 Views
I feel Galad could be up there, but we see so little of him - 16/02/2010 12:28:44 AM 769 Views
are you being serious? - 16/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 741 Views
Re: are you being serious? - 16/02/2010 06:55:16 AM 829 Views
Oh, I don't think so. - 16/02/2010 09:12:57 AM 729 Views
Re: This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. - 22/02/2010 10:57:27 PM 799 Views
It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour - 15/02/2010 06:53:30 AM 725 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour - 15/02/2010 08:41:02 AM 950 Views
this is hilarious - 15/02/2010 12:45:22 PM 731 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour - 15/02/2010 11:57:24 AM 1006 Views
Who says Egwene didn't have a destiny? *NM* - 15/02/2010 12:46:10 PM 473 Views
Me. And I'm way smarter than you. - 15/02/2010 01:04:48 PM 826 Views
- 15/02/2010 02:12:26 PM 901 Views
Re: - 15/02/2010 10:40:39 PM 740 Views
Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main - 16/02/2010 01:32:45 AM 704 Views
Re: Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main - 16/02/2010 07:09:52 AM 770 Views
You need a re-read my friend - 16/02/2010 01:14:22 PM 786 Views
Sidious' problem in a nutshell. - 15/02/2010 11:27:12 AM 854 Views
Re: Sidious' problem in a nutshell. - 15/02/2010 03:14:55 PM 829 Views
I've never understood the fascination with Lanfear - 15/02/2010 05:52:27 PM 850 Views
Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene - 14/02/2010 07:56:23 PM 770 Views
Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene - 14/02/2010 08:55:58 PM 724 Views
I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then - 14/02/2010 08:59:26 PM 819 Views
Re: I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then - 14/02/2010 09:24:23 PM 633 Views
I don't think so - 14/02/2010 09:30:41 PM 710 Views
Re: I don't think so - 15/02/2010 03:45:52 PM 793 Views
That's pretty much how I see it too - 15/02/2010 05:54:14 PM 703 Views
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand - 14/02/2010 08:05:40 PM 928 Views
Re: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand - 14/02/2010 11:55:40 PM 823 Views
Cadsuane needs to spank her. - 15/02/2010 01:31:49 AM 790 Views
yeah, that's worked so well on her in the past - 15/02/2010 01:48:05 AM 760 Views
It would be a very amusing moment. - 15/02/2010 03:01:37 AM 713 Views
IMO it would merely be a hypocritical moment of massive proportions - 15/02/2010 04:45:27 AM 717 Views
and a massive failure - 15/02/2010 06:57:18 AM 856 Views
What Egwene needs is to be shown that her actions could harm the tower. - 15/02/2010 08:46:30 AM 638 Views
Actually that role is being played by Covril at the Stump *NM* - 15/02/2010 02:13:42 PM 543 Views
If you hate arrogance, you must hate all the main characters in the series - 15/02/2010 03:21:48 PM 685 Views
But that's the point - 15/02/2010 03:26:03 PM 758 Views
Not quite. - 15/02/2010 07:11:56 PM 758 Views
Actually, you can't compare the two. - 15/02/2010 12:04:19 PM 813 Views
No, Cannoli has the right of it here. - 16/02/2010 06:22:39 PM 857 Views
Re: No, Cannoli has the right of it here. - 16/02/2010 06:51:28 PM 814 Views
I actually think it will go the opposite way. - 16/02/2010 03:44:19 PM 767 Views

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