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It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour Sidious Send a noteboard - 15/02/2010 06:53:30 AM

The thing is, everyone else has matured.

Rand, Mat and Perrin are friends, but don't nearly have that old relationship they used to. You'd never catch Perrin saying "My Lord Dragon," and nor should he, but he was willing to work with Rand

Everyone respects Nynaeve, but not to the point where they are afraid of her, and Nynaeve in turn accepts that she's no longer their Wisdom.

Thom hasn't interacted with Rand in a while, but even their relationship matured- Thom kept being a mentor figure to be listened to, but it became more that he was an advisor than a grizzled old man keeping a kid from cutting his neck while shaving (which was how it was in EotW)


And as for "Egwene and Rand have been fighting since they were toddlers..." from tDR on, Rand hasn't been fighting with Egwene- Egwene has been fighting with Rand. Their relationship isn't a "buddy-buddy bickering" relationship- it's a "I'm still the domineering girl from the village of our childhood still treating you like you're a stuttering man-child that doesn't know what's best for you" relationship.

tl;dr "Proving she's better than Rand" is not an admirable, healthy or mature state for the leader of the Lightside's female channelers to be in.


Egwene has been the most mature of the Emonds Fielders since the beginning. Since the start of the series she's openly stated that she's wanted to become an Aes Sedai. Nynaeve, Mat, Rand and Perrin all denied and resented their destinies for the greater part of the series. How can you say that everyone has matured except Egwene? If anything, the others are finally starting to behave like adults.

There are multiple quotes in the series showing that Rand doesn't want to trust Egwene. He's paranoid by nature. When she arrived to warn him about the Aes Sedai trying to capture him, he laughs at her and ignores her warning, only to be captured a week later and tortured. By TGS, everyone is afraid of Rand, even his own father. And don't forget... he is insane due to some effect of the taint, and other issues.

Almost all the Emond's Fielders treat Rand the same as they used to. Perrin has nothing to say because he's too dimwitted, but even he has commented. Mat is childish with no real purpose in life unless someone gives it to him, and he too will say something of use. Nynaeve and Egwene are the only two who tell Rand exactly what they think, with Nynaeve doing exactly that in TGS despite his homicidal tendencies. Egwene's certainly going to give him a run for his money when they finally meet. I don't know why you find this surprising or irritating.

Finally, Egwene has obligations as the Amyrlin Seat. She's not going to let the DR enslave the White Tower just because he needs them. He tried that with Tuon and the Borderland armies, and it failed. He needs a new tactic especially against one of the most formidible Amyrlin's in history, who is also notoriously stubborn in his presence.
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God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene - 14/02/2010 07:02:20 AM 2559 Views
Just like Elayne treated him so well when she kicked him out of Andor? - 14/02/2010 01:35:32 PM 726 Views
It IS kind of ridiculous... but how do YOU think a meeting will go? - 14/02/2010 07:20:08 PM 806 Views
We all do that - 14/02/2010 08:09:51 PM 880 Views
You just KNOW that rather than compliment all the good he's done.... - 14/02/2010 03:06:09 PM 678 Views
Personally, I'm rooting for Elaida's Foretelling to be fake - 14/02/2010 06:56:41 PM 972 Views
I thought she DID say "This I Foretell?" - 14/02/2010 07:24:19 PM 791 Views
Yes she did. - 14/02/2010 07:34:43 PM 1028 Views
Take a sedative - 14/02/2010 07:52:32 PM 866 Views
somethings we can agree on! - 14/02/2010 08:12:05 PM 847 Views
None of the Emond's Fielders suck up to him. There's difference between hostile and 1-upping - 14/02/2010 09:01:35 PM 825 Views
Right cause Nynaeve is always going around telling people how much Mat's changed - 14/02/2010 09:27:02 PM 813 Views
If you'll recall what Mat did 5 minutes after... - 14/02/2010 11:06:41 PM 864 Views
Not really - 14/02/2010 11:34:49 PM 747 Views
Re: Not really - 15/02/2010 03:32:06 PM 777 Views
better than Nynaeve who just lies to herself in order to justify her actions! - 15/02/2010 05:53:17 PM 875 Views
This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. - 15/02/2010 06:09:46 PM 768 Views
actually it's about all of the main characters - 15/02/2010 06:13:27 PM 762 Views
Re: actually it's about all of the main characters - 15/02/2010 06:39:25 PM 861 Views
Well said. - 15/02/2010 07:20:47 PM 895 Views
Re: Well said. - 15/02/2010 07:43:08 PM 730 Views
yet even Siuan seems to understand and accept Egwene's response ... odd that you can hold her to - 16/02/2010 01:55:35 AM 673 Views
Oh, so Elaida's treatment of Sheremin is ok because Sheremin accepted it? - 16/02/2010 06:49:53 AM 745 Views
how is that a good comparrison? - 18/02/2010 12:27:58 AM 664 Views
Re: how is that a good comparrison? - 18/02/2010 03:30:21 AM 1085 Views
watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon - 16/02/2010 01:51:09 AM 873 Views
Re: watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon - 16/02/2010 07:04:08 AM 826 Views
Alright enough. Will you read the books already? - 16/02/2010 08:03:39 AM 874 Views
Fair points, & I somehow forgot that paragraph. - 16/02/2010 05:34:12 PM 788 Views
You've forgotten a lot of paragraphs. - 16/02/2010 07:58:32 PM 884 Views
The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason - 16/02/2010 01:34:30 AM 658 Views
Re: The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason - 16/02/2010 07:08:13 AM 762 Views
I'm going to agee with fionwe - 16/02/2010 01:07:37 PM 709 Views
Same old same old - 16/02/2010 02:01:12 PM 727 Views
that B*TCH! *NM* - 17/02/2010 03:10:30 AM 582 Views
Re: Same old same old - 17/02/2010 09:32:03 AM 881 Views
Yes, but Egwene's is pride - - 15/02/2010 07:04:25 PM 750 Views
I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none - 15/02/2010 08:52:54 PM 769 Views
Re: I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none - 15/02/2010 10:39:25 PM 761 Views
I feel Galad could be up there, but we see so little of him - 16/02/2010 12:28:44 AM 769 Views
are you being serious? - 16/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 741 Views
Re: are you being serious? - 16/02/2010 06:55:16 AM 829 Views
Oh, I don't think so. - 16/02/2010 09:12:57 AM 730 Views
Re: This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. - 22/02/2010 10:57:27 PM 800 Views
It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour - 15/02/2010 06:53:30 AM 726 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour - 15/02/2010 08:41:02 AM 950 Views
this is hilarious - 15/02/2010 12:45:22 PM 731 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour - 15/02/2010 11:57:24 AM 1006 Views
Who says Egwene didn't have a destiny? *NM* - 15/02/2010 12:46:10 PM 474 Views
Me. And I'm way smarter than you. - 15/02/2010 01:04:48 PM 827 Views
- 15/02/2010 02:12:26 PM 902 Views
Re: - 15/02/2010 10:40:39 PM 740 Views
Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main - 16/02/2010 01:32:45 AM 705 Views
Re: Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main - 16/02/2010 07:09:52 AM 770 Views
You need a re-read my friend - 16/02/2010 01:14:22 PM 786 Views
Sidious' problem in a nutshell. - 15/02/2010 11:27:12 AM 854 Views
Re: Sidious' problem in a nutshell. - 15/02/2010 03:14:55 PM 829 Views
I've never understood the fascination with Lanfear - 15/02/2010 05:52:27 PM 850 Views
Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene - 14/02/2010 07:56:23 PM 771 Views
Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene - 14/02/2010 08:55:58 PM 724 Views
I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then - 14/02/2010 08:59:26 PM 819 Views
Re: I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then - 14/02/2010 09:24:23 PM 634 Views
I don't think so - 14/02/2010 09:30:41 PM 710 Views
Re: I don't think so - 15/02/2010 03:45:52 PM 793 Views
That's pretty much how I see it too - 15/02/2010 05:54:14 PM 704 Views
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand - 14/02/2010 08:05:40 PM 929 Views
Re: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand - 14/02/2010 11:55:40 PM 823 Views
Cadsuane needs to spank her. - 15/02/2010 01:31:49 AM 790 Views
yeah, that's worked so well on her in the past - 15/02/2010 01:48:05 AM 761 Views
It would be a very amusing moment. - 15/02/2010 03:01:37 AM 714 Views
IMO it would merely be a hypocritical moment of massive proportions - 15/02/2010 04:45:27 AM 718 Views
and a massive failure - 15/02/2010 06:57:18 AM 856 Views
What Egwene needs is to be shown that her actions could harm the tower. - 15/02/2010 08:46:30 AM 638 Views
Actually that role is being played by Covril at the Stump *NM* - 15/02/2010 02:13:42 PM 543 Views
If you hate arrogance, you must hate all the main characters in the series - 15/02/2010 03:21:48 PM 685 Views
But that's the point - 15/02/2010 03:26:03 PM 758 Views
Not quite. - 15/02/2010 07:11:56 PM 758 Views
Actually, you can't compare the two. - 15/02/2010 12:04:19 PM 813 Views
No, Cannoli has the right of it here. - 16/02/2010 06:22:39 PM 858 Views
Re: No, Cannoli has the right of it here. - 16/02/2010 06:51:28 PM 815 Views
I actually think it will go the opposite way. - 16/02/2010 03:44:19 PM 768 Views

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