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Re: No, Cannoli has the right of it here. Lordling Send a noteboard - 16/02/2010 06:51:28 PM
I kidd you not. If I was Caddy, I'd whip up to the White Tower, walk into Egwene's chambers, and give her a long spanking. She needs to stop being such a prick.


Spanking has no effect on Egwene because it's just pain. Her ability to take the pain and still keep her nose stuck up in the air feeds her sense of superiority. The fact that Silviana failed to see that and adjust her punishments accordingly made her character a joke. What she should have done was put Egwene's hair in pigtails and made her tote a doll around with her the way the Aiel did when she was behaving particularly childish. By forcing her to do something that causes OTHERS to look down upon her, they would have managed to put a crack in her arrogance. Egwene can take pain if she has to but she can't take being made a joke of, which is precisely what Silviana and the Reds should have done.

If they wanted a mere spanking to get through to her, all they would have had to done was bare her ass on the Warder training field, put her over their knees, and spank her till she howled. To bring her punishments into the light, where others could see her being treated like a child instead of an "imprisoned Amyrlin who was being beaten" would have been the intelligent thing to do. All they did, instead, was allow her to behave as an arrogant wench and manage to convince everyone that her resistance was "brave" instead of childish. Of course, the entire WT plotline was ludicrous, if you ask me. That two hundred year old women allowed a novice to push them around was laughable. Had it been written realistically, Egwene's "plight" would have been a joke in the Tower and, at the very least, the Black Ajah hunters would have put her in her place and put an end to her quest for power.

The bottom line is that girl needs to be humiliated in front of all of those who act like she is some kind of god and she needs to be humiliated in a big way. What's more, since she has always looked down on Rand and thinks he should be groveling to her, Rand is the one who needs to humiliate her. Publicly. Then, perhaps, she could stop acting like a twit and work with him instead of trying to control him.

Unfortunately, it's not going to happen. He'll bend his knee to her and be humiliated and treated like garbage just like anyone else who dares go against Egweenie. As was RJ's intent, after she has stomped him down he'll prostrate himself before her and swear to obey her every order without question. That way Egwene can take credit for defeating the Dark One since she'll be running the show and Rand will be naught but a tool for her to use. It will make me lose my lunch when I read it.

I'd like to think that RJ was smarter than that, and that in the next book we Will see the matured Rand take Egwene down quite a few pegs. I hope.

I don't think there Was anything else Silviana could have done to Egwene expect the beatings.
She's the Mistress of Novices, and what the MoN really doesn't do is to order a punishment on one of her novices just in order to humiliate her. (and get the desired result, but that's not the point.)
If Elaida had decided to treat Egwene as a false Amyrlin, well then public humiliation would have been an acceptable method, but Egwene the Novice could not have been punished that way. Silviana used the method she had.
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God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene - 14/02/2010 07:02:20 AM 2559 Views
Just like Elayne treated him so well when she kicked him out of Andor? - 14/02/2010 01:35:32 PM 726 Views
It IS kind of ridiculous... but how do YOU think a meeting will go? - 14/02/2010 07:20:08 PM 806 Views
We all do that - 14/02/2010 08:09:51 PM 879 Views
You just KNOW that rather than compliment all the good he's done.... - 14/02/2010 03:06:09 PM 678 Views
Personally, I'm rooting for Elaida's Foretelling to be fake - 14/02/2010 06:56:41 PM 972 Views
I thought she DID say "This I Foretell?" - 14/02/2010 07:24:19 PM 790 Views
Yes she did. - 14/02/2010 07:34:43 PM 1027 Views
Take a sedative - 14/02/2010 07:52:32 PM 866 Views
somethings we can agree on! - 14/02/2010 08:12:05 PM 847 Views
None of the Emond's Fielders suck up to him. There's difference between hostile and 1-upping - 14/02/2010 09:01:35 PM 825 Views
Right cause Nynaeve is always going around telling people how much Mat's changed - 14/02/2010 09:27:02 PM 812 Views
If you'll recall what Mat did 5 minutes after... - 14/02/2010 11:06:41 PM 864 Views
Not really - 14/02/2010 11:34:49 PM 747 Views
Re: Not really - 15/02/2010 03:32:06 PM 777 Views
better than Nynaeve who just lies to herself in order to justify her actions! - 15/02/2010 05:53:17 PM 874 Views
This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. - 15/02/2010 06:09:46 PM 768 Views
actually it's about all of the main characters - 15/02/2010 06:13:27 PM 762 Views
Re: actually it's about all of the main characters - 15/02/2010 06:39:25 PM 861 Views
Well said. - 15/02/2010 07:20:47 PM 894 Views
Re: Well said. - 15/02/2010 07:43:08 PM 730 Views
yet even Siuan seems to understand and accept Egwene's response ... odd that you can hold her to - 16/02/2010 01:55:35 AM 673 Views
Oh, so Elaida's treatment of Sheremin is ok because Sheremin accepted it? - 16/02/2010 06:49:53 AM 745 Views
how is that a good comparrison? - 18/02/2010 12:27:58 AM 664 Views
Re: how is that a good comparrison? - 18/02/2010 03:30:21 AM 1085 Views
watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon - 16/02/2010 01:51:09 AM 873 Views
Re: watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon - 16/02/2010 07:04:08 AM 826 Views
Alright enough. Will you read the books already? - 16/02/2010 08:03:39 AM 873 Views
Fair points, & I somehow forgot that paragraph. - 16/02/2010 05:34:12 PM 788 Views
You've forgotten a lot of paragraphs. - 16/02/2010 07:58:32 PM 884 Views
The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason - 16/02/2010 01:34:30 AM 658 Views
Re: The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason - 16/02/2010 07:08:13 AM 762 Views
I'm going to agee with fionwe - 16/02/2010 01:07:37 PM 709 Views
Same old same old - 16/02/2010 02:01:12 PM 727 Views
that B*TCH! *NM* - 17/02/2010 03:10:30 AM 582 Views
Re: Same old same old - 17/02/2010 09:32:03 AM 881 Views
Yes, but Egwene's is pride - - 15/02/2010 07:04:25 PM 750 Views
I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none - 15/02/2010 08:52:54 PM 769 Views
Re: I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none - 15/02/2010 10:39:25 PM 761 Views
I feel Galad could be up there, but we see so little of him - 16/02/2010 12:28:44 AM 769 Views
are you being serious? - 16/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 741 Views
Re: are you being serious? - 16/02/2010 06:55:16 AM 829 Views
Oh, I don't think so. - 16/02/2010 09:12:57 AM 729 Views
Re: This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. - 22/02/2010 10:57:27 PM 799 Views
It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour - 15/02/2010 06:53:30 AM 725 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour - 15/02/2010 08:41:02 AM 950 Views
this is hilarious - 15/02/2010 12:45:22 PM 731 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour - 15/02/2010 11:57:24 AM 1006 Views
Who says Egwene didn't have a destiny? *NM* - 15/02/2010 12:46:10 PM 473 Views
Me. And I'm way smarter than you. - 15/02/2010 01:04:48 PM 826 Views
- 15/02/2010 02:12:26 PM 901 Views
Re: - 15/02/2010 10:40:39 PM 740 Views
Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main - 16/02/2010 01:32:45 AM 704 Views
Re: Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main - 16/02/2010 07:09:52 AM 770 Views
You need a re-read my friend - 16/02/2010 01:14:22 PM 786 Views
Sidious' problem in a nutshell. - 15/02/2010 11:27:12 AM 854 Views
Re: Sidious' problem in a nutshell. - 15/02/2010 03:14:55 PM 829 Views
I've never understood the fascination with Lanfear - 15/02/2010 05:52:27 PM 850 Views
Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene - 14/02/2010 07:56:23 PM 770 Views
Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene - 14/02/2010 08:55:58 PM 724 Views
I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then - 14/02/2010 08:59:26 PM 819 Views
Re: I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then - 14/02/2010 09:24:23 PM 633 Views
I don't think so - 14/02/2010 09:30:41 PM 710 Views
Re: I don't think so - 15/02/2010 03:45:52 PM 793 Views
That's pretty much how I see it too - 15/02/2010 05:54:14 PM 703 Views
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand - 14/02/2010 08:05:40 PM 928 Views
Re: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand - 14/02/2010 11:55:40 PM 823 Views
Cadsuane needs to spank her. - 15/02/2010 01:31:49 AM 790 Views
yeah, that's worked so well on her in the past - 15/02/2010 01:48:05 AM 760 Views
It would be a very amusing moment. - 15/02/2010 03:01:37 AM 713 Views
IMO it would merely be a hypocritical moment of massive proportions - 15/02/2010 04:45:27 AM 717 Views
and a massive failure - 15/02/2010 06:57:18 AM 856 Views
What Egwene needs is to be shown that her actions could harm the tower. - 15/02/2010 08:46:30 AM 638 Views
Actually that role is being played by Covril at the Stump *NM* - 15/02/2010 02:13:42 PM 543 Views
If you hate arrogance, you must hate all the main characters in the series - 15/02/2010 03:21:48 PM 685 Views
But that's the point - 15/02/2010 03:26:03 PM 758 Views
Not quite. - 15/02/2010 07:11:56 PM 758 Views
Actually, you can't compare the two. - 15/02/2010 12:04:19 PM 813 Views
No, Cannoli has the right of it here. - 16/02/2010 06:22:39 PM 857 Views
Re: No, Cannoli has the right of it here. - 16/02/2010 06:51:28 PM 815 Views
I actually think it will go the opposite way. - 16/02/2010 03:44:19 PM 767 Views

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