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Re: No, Cannoli has the right of it here. Lordling Send a noteboard - 16/02/2010 06:51:28 PM
I kidd you not. If I was Caddy, I'd whip up to the White Tower, walk into Egwene's chambers, and give her a long spanking. She needs to stop being such a prick.


Spanking has no effect on Egwene because it's just pain. Her ability to take the pain and still keep her nose stuck up in the air feeds her sense of superiority. The fact that Silviana failed to see that and adjust her punishments accordingly made her character a joke. What she should have done was put Egwene's hair in pigtails and made her tote a doll around with her the way the Aiel did when she was behaving particularly childish. By forcing her to do something that causes OTHERS to look down upon her, they would have managed to put a crack in her arrogance. Egwene can take pain if she has to but she can't take being made a joke of, which is precisely what Silviana and the Reds should have done.

If they wanted a mere spanking to get through to her, all they would have had to done was bare her ass on the Warder training field, put her over their knees, and spank her till she howled. To bring her punishments into the light, where others could see her being treated like a child instead of an "imprisoned Amyrlin who was being beaten" would have been the intelligent thing to do. All they did, instead, was allow her to behave as an arrogant wench and manage to convince everyone that her resistance was "brave" instead of childish. Of course, the entire WT plotline was ludicrous, if you ask me. That two hundred year old women allowed a novice to push them around was laughable. Had it been written realistically, Egwene's "plight" would have been a joke in the Tower and, at the very least, the Black Ajah hunters would have put her in her place and put an end to her quest for power.

The bottom line is that girl needs to be humiliated in front of all of those who act like she is some kind of god and she needs to be humiliated in a big way. What's more, since she has always looked down on Rand and thinks he should be groveling to her, Rand is the one who needs to humiliate her. Publicly. Then, perhaps, she could stop acting like a twit and work with him instead of trying to control him.

Unfortunately, it's not going to happen. He'll bend his knee to her and be humiliated and treated like garbage just like anyone else who dares go against Egweenie. As was RJ's intent, after she has stomped him down he'll prostrate himself before her and swear to obey her every order without question. That way Egwene can take credit for defeating the Dark One since she'll be running the show and Rand will be naught but a tool for her to use. It will make me lose my lunch when I read it.

I'd like to think that RJ was smarter than that, and that in the next book we Will see the matured Rand take Egwene down quite a few pegs. I hope.

I don't think there Was anything else Silviana could have done to Egwene expect the beatings.
She's the Mistress of Novices, and what the MoN really doesn't do is to order a punishment on one of her novices just in order to humiliate her. (and get the desired result, but that's not the point.)
If Elaida had decided to treat Egwene as a false Amyrlin, well then public humiliation would have been an acceptable method, but Egwene the Novice could not have been punished that way. Silviana used the method she had.
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God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene - 14/02/2010 07:02:20 AM 2709 Views
Just like Elayne treated him so well when she kicked him out of Andor? - 14/02/2010 01:35:32 PM 870 Views
It IS kind of ridiculous... but how do YOU think a meeting will go? - 14/02/2010 07:20:08 PM 959 Views
We all do that - 14/02/2010 08:09:51 PM 1026 Views
You just KNOW that rather than compliment all the good he's done.... - 14/02/2010 03:06:09 PM 820 Views
Personally, I'm rooting for Elaida's Foretelling to be fake - 14/02/2010 06:56:41 PM 1119 Views
I thought she DID say "This I Foretell?" - 14/02/2010 07:24:19 PM 945 Views
Yes she did. - 14/02/2010 07:34:43 PM 1161 Views
Take a sedative - 14/02/2010 07:52:32 PM 999 Views
somethings we can agree on! - 14/02/2010 08:12:05 PM 975 Views
None of the Emond's Fielders suck up to him. There's difference between hostile and 1-upping - 14/02/2010 09:01:35 PM 966 Views
Right cause Nynaeve is always going around telling people how much Mat's changed - 14/02/2010 09:27:02 PM 976 Views
If you'll recall what Mat did 5 minutes after... - 14/02/2010 11:06:41 PM 1003 Views
Not really - 14/02/2010 11:34:49 PM 892 Views
Re: Not really - 15/02/2010 03:32:06 PM 902 Views
better than Nynaeve who just lies to herself in order to justify her actions! - 15/02/2010 05:53:17 PM 1013 Views
This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. - 15/02/2010 06:09:46 PM 954 Views
actually it's about all of the main characters - 15/02/2010 06:13:27 PM 910 Views
Re: actually it's about all of the main characters - 15/02/2010 06:39:25 PM 1002 Views
Well said. - 15/02/2010 07:20:47 PM 1032 Views
Re: Well said. - 15/02/2010 07:43:08 PM 862 Views
yet even Siuan seems to understand and accept Egwene's response ... odd that you can hold her to - 16/02/2010 01:55:35 AM 799 Views
Oh, so Elaida's treatment of Sheremin is ok because Sheremin accepted it? - 16/02/2010 06:49:53 AM 956 Views
how is that a good comparrison? - 18/02/2010 12:27:58 AM 808 Views
Re: how is that a good comparrison? - 18/02/2010 03:30:21 AM 1290 Views
watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon - 16/02/2010 01:51:09 AM 999 Views
Re: watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon - 16/02/2010 07:04:08 AM 965 Views
Alright enough. Will you read the books already? - 16/02/2010 08:03:39 AM 1027 Views
Fair points, & I somehow forgot that paragraph. - 16/02/2010 05:34:12 PM 942 Views
You've forgotten a lot of paragraphs. - 16/02/2010 07:58:32 PM 1042 Views
The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason - 16/02/2010 01:34:30 AM 805 Views
Re: The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason - 16/02/2010 07:08:13 AM 906 Views
I'm going to agee with fionwe - 16/02/2010 01:07:37 PM 868 Views
Same old same old - 16/02/2010 02:01:12 PM 892 Views
that B*TCH! *NM* - 17/02/2010 03:10:30 AM 658 Views
Re: Same old same old - 17/02/2010 09:32:03 AM 1018 Views
Yes, but Egwene's is pride - - 15/02/2010 07:04:25 PM 910 Views
I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none - 15/02/2010 08:52:54 PM 899 Views
Re: I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none - 15/02/2010 10:39:25 PM 923 Views
I feel Galad could be up there, but we see so little of him - 16/02/2010 12:28:44 AM 918 Views
are you being serious? - 16/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 880 Views
Re: are you being serious? - 16/02/2010 06:55:16 AM 984 Views
Oh, I don't think so. - 16/02/2010 09:12:57 AM 864 Views
Re: This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. - 22/02/2010 10:57:27 PM 961 Views
It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour - 15/02/2010 06:53:30 AM 868 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour - 15/02/2010 08:41:02 AM 1118 Views
this is hilarious - 15/02/2010 12:45:22 PM 885 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour - 15/02/2010 11:57:24 AM 1152 Views
Who says Egwene didn't have a destiny? *NM* - 15/02/2010 12:46:10 PM 546 Views
Me. And I'm way smarter than you. - 15/02/2010 01:04:48 PM 965 Views
- 15/02/2010 02:12:26 PM 1018 Views
Re: - 15/02/2010 10:40:39 PM 890 Views
Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main - 16/02/2010 01:32:45 AM 851 Views
Re: Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main - 16/02/2010 07:09:52 AM 916 Views
You need a re-read my friend - 16/02/2010 01:14:22 PM 911 Views
Sidious' problem in a nutshell. - 15/02/2010 11:27:12 AM 1000 Views
Re: Sidious' problem in a nutshell. - 15/02/2010 03:14:55 PM 956 Views
I've never understood the fascination with Lanfear - 15/02/2010 05:52:27 PM 983 Views
Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene - 14/02/2010 07:56:23 PM 917 Views
Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene - 14/02/2010 08:55:58 PM 864 Views
I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then - 14/02/2010 08:59:26 PM 982 Views
Re: I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then - 14/02/2010 09:24:23 PM 817 Views
I don't think so - 14/02/2010 09:30:41 PM 848 Views
Re: I don't think so - 15/02/2010 03:45:52 PM 945 Views
That's pretty much how I see it too - 15/02/2010 05:54:14 PM 869 Views
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand - 14/02/2010 08:05:40 PM 1088 Views
Re: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand - 14/02/2010 11:55:40 PM 988 Views
Cadsuane needs to spank her. - 15/02/2010 01:31:49 AM 962 Views
yeah, that's worked so well on her in the past - 15/02/2010 01:48:05 AM 891 Views
It would be a very amusing moment. - 15/02/2010 03:01:37 AM 843 Views
IMO it would merely be a hypocritical moment of massive proportions - 15/02/2010 04:45:27 AM 843 Views
and a massive failure - 15/02/2010 06:57:18 AM 988 Views
What Egwene needs is to be shown that her actions could harm the tower. - 15/02/2010 08:46:30 AM 771 Views
Actually that role is being played by Covril at the Stump *NM* - 15/02/2010 02:13:42 PM 599 Views
If you hate arrogance, you must hate all the main characters in the series - 15/02/2010 03:21:48 PM 812 Views
But that's the point - 15/02/2010 03:26:03 PM 887 Views
Not quite. - 15/02/2010 07:11:56 PM 895 Views
Actually, you can't compare the two. - 15/02/2010 12:04:19 PM 970 Views
No, Cannoli has the right of it here. - 16/02/2010 06:22:39 PM 985 Views
Re: No, Cannoli has the right of it here. - 16/02/2010 06:51:28 PM 982 Views
I actually think it will go the opposite way. - 16/02/2010 03:44:19 PM 922 Views

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