I kidd you not. If I was Caddy, I'd whip up to the White Tower, walk into Egwene's chambers, and give her a long spanking. She needs to stop being such a prick.
Spanking has no effect on Egwene because it's just pain. Her ability to take the pain and still keep her nose stuck up in the air feeds her sense of superiority. The fact that Silviana failed to see that and adjust her punishments accordingly made her character a joke. What she should have done was put Egwene's hair in pigtails and made her tote a doll around with her the way the Aiel did when she was behaving particularly childish. By forcing her to do something that causes OTHERS to look down upon her, they would have managed to put a crack in her arrogance. Egwene can take pain if she has to but she can't take being made a joke of, which is precisely what Silviana and the Reds should have done.
If they wanted a mere spanking to get through to her, all they would have had to done was bare her ass on the Warder training field, put her over their knees, and spank her till she howled. To bring her punishments into the light, where others could see her being treated like a child instead of an "imprisoned Amyrlin who was being beaten" would have been the intelligent thing to do. All they did, instead, was allow her to behave as an arrogant wench and manage to convince everyone that her resistance was "brave" instead of childish. Of course, the entire WT plotline was ludicrous, if you ask me. That two hundred year old women allowed a novice to push them around was laughable. Had it been written realistically, Egwene's "plight" would have been a joke in the Tower and, at the very least, the Black Ajah hunters would have put her in her place and put an end to her quest for power.
The bottom line is that girl needs to be humiliated in front of all of those who act like she is some kind of god and she needs to be humiliated in a big way. What's more, since she has always looked down on Rand and thinks he should be groveling to her, Rand is the one who needs to humiliate her. Publicly. Then, perhaps, she could stop acting like a twit and work with him instead of trying to control him.
Unfortunately, it's not going to happen. He'll bend his knee to her and be humiliated and treated like garbage just like anyone else who dares go against Egweenie. As was RJ's intent, after she has stomped him down he'll prostrate himself before her and swear to obey her every order without question. That way Egwene can take credit for defeating the Dark One since she'll be running the show and Rand will be naught but a tool for her to use. It will make me lose my lunch when I read it.
I'd like to think that RJ was smarter than that, and that in the next book we Will see the matured Rand take Egwene down quite a few pegs. I hope.
I don't think there Was anything else Silviana could have done to Egwene expect the beatings.
She's the Mistress of Novices, and what the MoN really doesn't do is to order a punishment on one of her novices just in order to humiliate her. (and get the desired result, but that's not the point.)
If Elaida had decided to treat Egwene as a false Amyrlin, well then public humiliation would have been an acceptable method, but Egwene the Novice could not have been punished that way. Silviana used the method she had.
God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene
- 14/02/2010 07:02:20 AM
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My sentiments exactly, though I think I'm a little more hopeful than you are.
- 14/02/2010 07:58:01 AM
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Re: My sentiments exactly, though I think I'm a little more hopeful than you are.
- 14/02/2010 09:26:47 AM
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Just like Elayne treated him so well when she kicked him out of Andor?
- 14/02/2010 01:35:32 PM
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What? We are no longer allowed to make predictions of the coming books unless they're pro-Egwene?
- 14/02/2010 02:22:10 PM
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a theory vs. mindlessly attacking a character because you don't like them?
- 14/02/2010 07:00:27 PM
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It IS kind of ridiculous... but how do YOU think a meeting will go?
- 14/02/2010 07:20:08 PM
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Is Egwene going to do what Elayne did when she met Rand after tearing down his banners?
- 15/02/2010 11:25:27 AM
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You just KNOW that rather than compliment all the good he's done....
- 14/02/2010 03:06:09 PM
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Personally, I'm rooting for Elaida's Foretelling to be fake
- 14/02/2010 06:56:41 PM
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No way these are fake... she's not BA and she she says she's having a Foretelling
- 14/02/2010 08:24:29 PM
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Good point. And the "rent in fire and blood" part is almost certain as well.
- 16/02/2010 05:13:29 PM
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Take a sedative
- 14/02/2010 07:52:32 PM
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None of the Emond's Fielders suck up to him. There's difference between hostile and 1-upping
- 14/02/2010 09:01:35 PM
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Right cause Nynaeve is always going around telling people how much Mat's changed
- 14/02/2010 09:27:02 PM
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If you'll recall what Mat did 5 minutes after...
- 14/02/2010 11:06:41 PM
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Not really
- 14/02/2010 11:34:49 PM
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Re: Not really
- 15/02/2010 03:32:06 PM
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better than Nynaeve who just lies to herself in order to justify her actions!
- 15/02/2010 05:53:17 PM
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This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve.
- 15/02/2010 06:09:46 PM
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actually it's about all of the main characters
- 15/02/2010 06:13:27 PM
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Re: actually it's about all of the main characters
- 15/02/2010 06:39:25 PM
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Well said.
- 15/02/2010 07:20:47 PM
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Re: Well said.
- 15/02/2010 07:43:08 PM
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yet even Siuan seems to understand and accept Egwene's response ... odd that you can hold her to
- 16/02/2010 01:55:35 AM
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Oh, so Elaida's treatment of Sheremin is ok because Sheremin accepted it?
- 16/02/2010 06:49:53 AM
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watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon
- 16/02/2010 01:51:09 AM
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Re: watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon
- 16/02/2010 07:04:08 AM
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Alright enough. Will you read the books already?
- 16/02/2010 08:03:39 AM
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The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason
- 16/02/2010 01:34:30 AM
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Re: The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason
- 16/02/2010 07:08:13 AM
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Yes, but Egwene's is pride -
- 15/02/2010 07:04:25 PM
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I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none
- 15/02/2010 08:52:54 PM
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Re: None of the Emond's Fielders suck up to him. There's difference between hostile and 1-upping
- 15/02/2010 05:08:49 AM
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It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour
- 15/02/2010 06:53:30 AM
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Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour
- 15/02/2010 08:41:02 AM
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Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour
- 15/02/2010 03:31:26 PM
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Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour
- 15/02/2010 11:57:24 AM
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Who says Egwene didn't have a destiny? *NM*
- 15/02/2010 12:46:10 PM
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Me. And I'm way smarter than you.
- 15/02/2010 01:04:48 PM
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- 15/02/2010 02:12:26 PM
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- 15/02/2010 02:12:26 PM
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Re:
- 15/02/2010 10:40:39 PM
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- 15/02/2010 10:40:39 PM
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Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main
- 16/02/2010 01:32:45 AM
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Re: Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main
- 16/02/2010 07:09:52 AM
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Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour
- 15/02/2010 03:48:51 PM
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Sidious' problem in a nutshell.
- 15/02/2010 11:27:12 AM
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Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene
- 14/02/2010 07:56:23 PM
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Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene
- 14/02/2010 08:55:58 PM
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I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then
- 14/02/2010 08:59:26 PM
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Re: I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then
- 14/02/2010 09:24:23 PM
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I don't think so
- 14/02/2010 09:30:41 PM
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Re: I don't think so
- 15/02/2010 03:45:52 PM
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That's pretty much how I see it too
- 15/02/2010 05:54:14 PM
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I understood little sister to be a mild insult, Moiraine being so young and weak in the OP *NM*
- 16/02/2010 08:25:55 PM
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maybe a touch patronizing? *NM*
- 17/02/2010 12:51:25 PM
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Appears to be, but his thought process implies it's not as simple as him merely looking down on her. *NM*
- 17/02/2010 05:07:19 PM
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand
- 14/02/2010 08:05:40 PM
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Re: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand
- 14/02/2010 11:55:40 PM
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Cadsuane needs to spank her.
- 15/02/2010 01:31:49 AM
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yeah, that's worked so well on her in the past
- 15/02/2010 01:48:05 AM
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It would be a very amusing moment.
- 15/02/2010 03:01:37 AM
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IMO it would merely be a hypocritical moment of massive proportions
- 15/02/2010 04:45:27 AM
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and a massive failure
- 15/02/2010 06:57:18 AM
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What Egwene needs is to be shown that her actions could harm the tower.
- 15/02/2010 08:46:30 AM
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If you hate arrogance, you must hate all the main characters in the series
- 15/02/2010 03:21:48 PM
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Everyone else is shown to be a bit small minded. Egwene is implied to be Strong And Wise
- 15/02/2010 09:23:47 PM
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When has she ever actually done that? Rand thinks she will, but so far she's done nothing like it!
- 16/02/2010 02:08:23 AM
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I meant that EVERYONE is bargaining, posturing, etc.
- 16/02/2010 02:54:29 AM
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Well miscommunication is one of the major themes of the series
- 16/02/2010 01:17:25 PM
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the most idiotic theme IMO
- 16/02/2010 03:27:26 PM
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I don't know if the theme itself is idoitic, but I would totally agree that it's gone nowhere!
- 17/02/2010 03:16:30 AM
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Re: Everyone else is shown to be a bit small minded. Egwene is implied to be Strong And Wise
- 18/02/2010 01:19:00 AM
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No, Cannoli has the right of it here.
- 16/02/2010 06:22:39 PM
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Re: No, Cannoli has the right of it here.
- 16/02/2010 06:51:28 PM
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Well, all those beatings were in private
- 16/02/2010 07:54:00 PM
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That was the point of the scene in front of the Sitters during the banquet. *NM*
- 23/02/2010 06:58:50 PM
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Oh the one where Elaida tried to have her way with Egwene while the Sitters looked away?
*NM*
- 23/02/2010 10:12:04 PM
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*NM*
- 23/02/2010 10:12:04 PM
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Yes. Elaida wanted Egwene to be cowed in front of her into obedience, which would erode her support
- 23/02/2010 10:18:03 PM
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