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I'm talking about the organization as a whole beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM
Yes, there are librarians, yes, there are teachers. But from what we've seen, the majority of the Tower Aes Sedai have just been sitting around, absorbed in inter-Ajah politics and playing their own little games.

Those who are NOT, those who are actually doing something helpful, are often acting on their own agenda. Moiraine, Siuan, Verin, Cadsuane, Verin, Egwene (both pre-Amyrlin when she wandered off to the Aiel Waste, and post-Amyrlin when she makes everyone swear secret oaths to her) all do things on their own.

It's to their credit- they did well. But I'm focusing more on the fact that it's less a point in their favor than it is a point AGAINST the White Tower.

The only proactive things that have been done with full White Tower approval in the book series are:

1)Fighting Logain and Taim
2)Deposing Siuan
3)Attempting to subdue Elayne (the forkroot incident)
4)Abolishing the Blue Ajah
5)Sending a group to Rand (with orders to kidnap him)
6)Holding Mattin Steppanos
7)Publishing that letter saying the world can only come to Rand through the WT

Note that I only listed things that were done in the open, with full approval of the Tower. The hunt for the Black Ajah doesn't count, because 1) It's secret and 2)Elaida wasn't trying to get the Black Ajah anyway, she just hated Alviarian. (Gotta look up these spellings...)

#1 is admirable, though they did end up letting both escape. #3 makes a little sense from Elaida's POV. The rest just show a shocking level of disconnection with the real world, and most Aes Sedai seem perfectly happy to live in their little bubble of superiority and inter-Ajah politics.



tl;dr: The only useful Aes Sedai are the ones who ignore the organization and do what they believe is right.
I amuse myself.
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You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous - 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM 1273 Views
Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower... - 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM 853 Views
Well said. Hadn't really thought of it that way before *NM* - 03/09/2009 12:01:30 AM 517 Views
And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. - 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM 872 Views
Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. - 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM 838 Views
Really? - 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM 806 Views
Re: Really? - 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM 764 Views
So lets add a few more - 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM 772 Views
most of these are accounted for above - 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM 830 Views
But who did the work? - 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM 673 Views
While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower - 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM 698 Views
So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count? - 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM 711 Views
Actually I think that's his point - 04/09/2009 01:40:37 PM 805 Views
Spot-on - 04/09/2009 08:56:30 PM 624 Views
Re: Actually I think that's his point - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM 664 Views
Re: But who did the work? - 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM 751 Views
Only one point because obviously your mind is made up. - 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM 775 Views
well, yeah - 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM 799 Views
In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. - 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM 700 Views
Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. - 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 698 Views
No, fionwe1987 is absolutely right! - 05/09/2009 05:13:39 PM 660 Views
I'm glad the real world disagrees with you - 05/09/2009 05:05:50 PM 698 Views
I'm not convinced that it does - 05/09/2009 05:44:10 PM 799 Views
I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM 716 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM 767 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:23:53 PM 706 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 05/09/2009 09:02:47 AM 932 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:49:58 PM 688 Views
I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow, - 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM 701 Views
So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much - 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM 642 Views
I'm talking about the organization as a whole - 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM 722 Views
No you are talking about Elaida - 03/09/2009 10:32:59 PM 671 Views
You just made our point... - 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM 730 Views
Well, because most of her actions infringe on that "bubble" - 04/09/2009 09:00:52 PM 631 Views
Not at all... - 04/09/2009 09:23:09 PM 751 Views
To a certain extent - 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM 944 Views
Definitely. And Egwene is in denial. - 03/09/2009 05:53:14 PM 724 Views
Some pretty big blanket statements - 03/09/2009 10:24:50 PM 842 Views
Without the Tower - 03/09/2009 02:05:09 PM 634 Views
Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here. - 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM 673 Views
Agrees with Nossy - 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM 973 Views
That's mostly what I was trying to say - 04/09/2009 09:03:52 PM 647 Views
Re: That's mostly what I was trying to say - 05/09/2009 03:33:46 AM 994 Views

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