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Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson newyorkersedai Send a noteboard - 22/03/2010 01:53:54 AM
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Bob's theory is an excellent thought process on Asmo's murder. His focus, however, is on the two servants that Rand sees when jumps into Rhavin's throne-room. I simply want to remove the focus on the servants, and instead put it on (a) who the suspects are, and (b) which ones might be "intuitively obvious." I don't even care about picking one out of the four best candidates.

Sammael, Graendal, Slayer, the Gholam, Fain, Mesaana and maybe two others are, as far as I can tell, the only people that could/would have done it. Asmo was extremely shocked to find his attacker, and died with only enough time to get pallid and shout two words.

The DO can't bring Asmo back, and knows of his death in some way, despite the black cord being cut in tSR. The DO either (a) was told by someone/-thing, or (b) will always learn that people are dead, whether or not it's in time to capture their soul.

Balefire (from the One Power) is such a powerful thing that it always seems like it would be noticed by Rand or Aviendha. I include Fain because his location wasn't confirmed and his odd-ass powers (or dagger) might cause Asmo to die irretrievably. And Slayer might have some soul-powers, or might have done something involving Asmo and TaR (maybe killing him and tossing the fresh corpse there would get the soul past the DO?). Luc/Isam seems a better candidate than Fain.

The gholam is also a great candidate for many obvious reasons. All of the prior three make more sense than Mesaana, who I'm simply including because I can't think of a reason to exclude her. I don't know why Bob excludes her in his theory (maybe Jordan said it wasn't her?), so she's still possible.

Sammael and Graendal must (like Moghedien and Rhavin) have known that Rand was going to attack Rhavin the day after the Lanfear mess. Moghedien knew when Rand was attacking, so they would have had a timeline to work with. They are probably the best candidates. Given their inclusion in Rahvin's plans, it would be "intuitively obvious" that one of them did it.

The other two? If Lanfear made her way through the Aelfinn - or even wished him dead - in her original body, she could easily have been spying on Rand at the time. THAT would certainly explain Asmodean's extreme shock and fear. I believe that Lanfear's knowledge got her through the 'Finn more or less fine (trading some of her Power), then she was killed by the Dark and brought back just to teach her a lesson. I love this idea, but the only problem I find is that she wouldn't just attack Rand right after. Given how often she threatened him though, it would be "intuitively obvious" that she did it.

Or, Taim could have done it. The Shadow knew Rand had a dark teacher. It makes sense for them to think to replace Asmo with one of their own. Asmo's knowledge, both of power and darkfriends, would make him a threat to Taim (he's gotta be a DF). Asmo certainly would have done many of the things that Taim conveniently appeared to do (and he knew them already). And once Taim got the chance, I think he was trying to set himself up as a teacher/superior (through his displays of knowledge and usefulness). Given the fact that Taim appeared shortly after Asmo's death and sort of took over Asmo's role, it would be "intuitively obvious" that he did it.
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Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson - 22/03/2010 01:53:54 AM 2014 Views
idle speculation != "Intuitivly obvious" - 22/03/2010 03:01:10 AM 790 Views
The best explanation for the "intuitively obvious"-comment is... - 22/03/2010 09:41:32 AM 841 Views
So again...how would Slayer know he was in the hallway? - 22/03/2010 03:18:51 PM 960 Views
I think Slayer spied on Asmo - 22/03/2010 03:45:20 PM 672 Views
Fair enough.... - 22/03/2010 06:25:25 PM 962 Views
I think... - 23/03/2010 09:31:41 AM 765 Views
I agree. Slayer is the most intuitively obvious candidate. *NM* - 22/03/2010 06:29:07 PM 323 Views
Slayer....the book4 minor villian? *NM* - 22/03/2010 06:34:52 PM 587 Views
Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. - 23/03/2010 09:11:39 AM 653 Views
Re: Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. - 28/03/2010 07:16:59 PM 683 Views
In my view, Graendal might have sent Slayer, which would explain her knowledge. *NM* - 29/03/2010 09:45:14 AM 711 Views
Actually that's one of my hang-ups about Slayer too - 06/04/2010 02:27:22 PM 675 Views
As far as I'm concerned... - 25/03/2010 06:42:53 AM 673 Views
The problem is that people don't read the books or at least ignore what is said about Slayer... - 25/03/2010 09:41:09 AM 675 Views
Correction... - 25/03/2010 05:22:46 PM 611 Views
So, basically... - 25/03/2010 05:50:42 PM 645 Views
The clues are there? - 25/03/2010 06:29:16 PM 671 Views
Re: The clues are there? - 26/03/2010 12:51:43 AM 660 Views
He wasn't being insulting, I don't think. - 26/03/2010 02:16:26 AM 725 Views
well, RJ was a nuclear engineer. 'Nuff said about obviousness, huh? - 26/03/2010 04:38:00 AM 752 Views
Apparently... - 26/03/2010 08:58:32 AM 691 Views
No it isn't. - 26/03/2010 05:43:02 PM 641 Views
You don't understand... - 27/03/2010 09:11:35 AM 680 Views
Re: You don't understand... - 27/03/2010 05:23:35 PM 696 Views
Re: You don't understand... - 28/03/2010 08:17:40 PM 633 Views
Yes, it's Winter's Heart. - 29/03/2010 04:01:41 AM 662 Views
Both merged into one being - 29/03/2010 09:43:47 AM 693 Views
Not what I asked. - 29/03/2010 06:10:42 PM 629 Views
If he couldn't do this... - 29/03/2010 06:59:16 PM 663 Views
Re: If he couldn't do this... - 29/03/2010 07:46:39 PM 634 Views
That Basel Gill comparison just silly... - 29/03/2010 08:49:19 PM 688 Views
Clearly, one of you has proved that Basel Gill is Demandred *NM* - 29/03/2010 10:12:00 PM 312 Views
I've asked you only one question, repeatedly. - 30/03/2010 12:34:44 AM 700 Views
Yeah, and I repeatedly tried to show you the clues... - 30/03/2010 09:17:59 AM 649 Views
You have never provided anything even resembling evidence. - 30/03/2010 08:20:54 PM 607 Views
Dude - 30/03/2010 09:49:05 PM 579 Views
You know what's really embarrassing? - 30/03/2010 10:28:38 PM 740 Views
be nice *NM* - 31/03/2010 01:22:03 AM 309 Views
One last time... - 31/03/2010 09:18:01 AM 654 Views
Re: One last time... - 31/03/2010 06:20:24 PM 673 Views
No... - 31/03/2010 06:31:57 PM 668 Views
Re: No... - 31/03/2010 11:43:42 PM 655 Views
So... - 01/04/2010 10:22:31 AM 624 Views
Re: So... - 01/04/2010 06:41:34 PM 758 Views
Egwene did it though - 09/04/2010 02:26:10 AM 645 Views
Not before Lord of Chaos she didn't. - 09/04/2010 08:03:12 AM 651 Views
Rand does it in the end of TFoH, though, shortly before Asmo's death. *NM* - 09/04/2010 08:34:23 AM 320 Views
But we don't actually see that - 09/04/2010 12:23:37 PM 644 Views
Hmm. True, that. - 09/04/2010 07:28:15 PM 554 Views
I see what you are saying now - 09/04/2010 12:08:00 PM 587 Views
Yep - 09/04/2010 07:27:27 PM 610 Views
A question on balefire/2 servants - 24/03/2010 04:31:49 PM 620 Views
Re: A question on balefire/2 servants - 24/03/2010 05:03:32 PM 657 Views
First rule of balefire: - 25/03/2010 06:44:17 AM 621 Views
Yep, that's my understanding too. - 25/03/2010 07:00:39 PM 648 Views
On the servants theory - 25/03/2010 11:33:08 AM 596 Views
Rand's odd wounds - 29/03/2010 02:48:58 AM 597 Views
Who says the Dark One couldn't bring Asmodean back? Why would he want to? - 25/03/2010 05:50:55 AM 699 Views
RJ said that. *NM* - 25/03/2010 09:31:32 AM 587 Views
Do you have that quote handy? - 28/03/2010 07:01:06 PM 614 Views
From memory, but can't find the URL - 28/03/2010 08:09:29 PM 605 Views
Here: - 29/03/2010 09:48:36 AM 600 Views
thanks! good job *NM* - 29/03/2010 10:13:12 PM 288 Views
You dont address all the criteria - 30/03/2010 11:27:58 PM 623 Views
Did you mean me? *NM* - 31/03/2010 05:54:56 AM 280 Views
@Fanatic-Templar: Proof Slayer can't travel through T'A'R... - 31/03/2010 03:54:19 AM 620 Views
Exactly my point. - 31/03/2010 05:02:41 AM 618 Views
Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes - 31/03/2010 05:56:46 AM 653 Views
Lan can swordfight with his boots? *NM* - 31/03/2010 06:41:53 AM 300 Views
I don't think so... read again *NM* - 31/03/2010 10:54:03 PM 274 Views
Re: Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes - 31/03/2010 03:52:16 PM 647 Views
thanks! but as soon as I posted - 01/04/2010 03:43:59 AM 599 Views
Re: Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson - 14/05/2010 01:28:38 AM 669 Views

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