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The problem is that people don't read the books or at least ignore what is said about Slayer... Etzel Send a noteboard - 25/03/2010 09:41:09 AM
... we didn't even know that Slayer could travel the Dreamworld at the time. When he was shot in the dreamwoods by Perrin in The Shadow Rising he woke up in Emond's Field, like he was just an ordinary Dreamwalker. At the time I thought he was simply Luc who became Isam when he was in Tel'aran'rhiod.

The way Slayer's powers work in that book are bizarrely different from those he employs elsewhere.

We were supposed to have all the information we needed at the time, so it seems improbable that we are supposed to divine that the perpetrator was someone using powers that we did not even know he possessed until several books later. At the time, Slayer had not demonstrated the ability to enter the Dreamworld in the flesh, and therefore to travel using it.


For example is the following talk between Hopper and Perrin in TSR, ch.28, quite revealing:
"You chase Slayer, Young Bull. He it here in the flesh, and he can kill."
“In the flesh? You mean not just dreaming? How can he be here in the flesh?”
"I do not know. It is a thing dimly remembered from long ago, come again as so much else. Things of the Shadow walk the dream, now. Creatures of Heartfang. There a no safety."

And a bit later Birgitte tells Perrin after he mentions Slayer: “A good name for him. This Slayer is not old, archer, but his evil is ancient.”

This shows that Slayer is very deadly, uses TAR in the flesh and obviously got this ability from the DO.

How you could think at the time of TSR that Slayer is just an ordinary Dreamwalker, but certainly can't be in TAR in the flesh, is simply beyond me. The information is there, you just have to remember it. And if you manage this, it's also not that difficult anymore to find out Asmo's obvious killer, namely Slayer.

Plus, Slayer always leaves the corpses behind.


If his Forsaken patron wanted that Slayer takes the corpse, he would naturally do it.
This message last edited by Etzel on 25/03/2010 at 09:46:49 AM
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Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson newyorkersedai - 22/03/2010 01:53:54 AM 1727 Views
idle speculation != "Intuitivly obvious" Nargs - 22/03/2010 03:01:10 AM 509 Views
The best explanation for the "intuitively obvious"-comment is... Etzel - 22/03/2010 09:41:32 AM 520 Views
So again...how would Slayer know he was in the hallway? Jeordam - 22/03/2010 03:18:51 PM 517 Views
I think Slayer spied on Asmo Etzel - 22/03/2010 03:45:20 PM 403 Views
Fair enough.... Jeordam - 22/03/2010 06:25:25 PM 538 Views
I think... Etzel - 23/03/2010 09:31:41 AM 458 Views
I agree. Slayer is the most intuitively obvious candidate. *NM* Narg - 22/03/2010 06:29:07 PM 187 Views
Slayer....the book4 minor villian? *NM* Jeordam - 22/03/2010 06:34:52 PM 327 Views
Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. Etzel - 23/03/2010 09:11:39 AM 356 Views
Re: Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 07:16:59 PM 389 Views
In my view, Graendal might have sent Slayer, which would explain her knowledge. *NM* Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:45:14 AM 396 Views
Actually that's one of my hang-ups about Slayer too darius_sedai - 06/04/2010 02:27:22 PM 374 Views
As far as I'm concerned... Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:42:53 AM 383 Views
The problem is that people don't read the books or at least ignore what is said about Slayer... Etzel - 25/03/2010 09:41:09 AM 375 Views
Correction... Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 05:22:46 PM 357 Views
So, basically... Etzel - 25/03/2010 05:50:42 PM 360 Views
The clues are there? Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:29:16 PM 378 Views
Re: The clues are there? newyorkersedai - 26/03/2010 12:51:43 AM 347 Views
He wasn't being insulting, I don't think. Fanatic-Templar - 26/03/2010 02:16:26 AM 394 Views
well, RJ was a nuclear engineer. 'Nuff said about obviousness, huh? newyorkersedai - 26/03/2010 04:38:00 AM 401 Views
Apparently... Etzel - 26/03/2010 08:58:32 AM 374 Views
No it isn't. Fanatic-Templar - 26/03/2010 05:43:02 PM 358 Views
You don't understand... Etzel - 27/03/2010 09:11:35 AM 389 Views
Re: You don't understand... Fanatic-Templar - 27/03/2010 05:23:35 PM 389 Views
Re: You don't understand... newyorkersedai - 28/03/2010 08:17:40 PM 351 Views
Yes, it's Winter's Heart. Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 04:01:41 AM 367 Views
Both merged into one being Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:43:47 AM 394 Views
Not what I asked. Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 06:10:42 PM 331 Views
If he couldn't do this... Etzel - 29/03/2010 06:59:16 PM 385 Views
Re: If he couldn't do this... Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 07:46:39 PM 345 Views
That Basel Gill comparison just silly... Etzel - 29/03/2010 08:49:19 PM 390 Views
Clearly, one of you has proved that Basel Gill is Demandred *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 10:12:00 PM 196 Views
I've asked you only one question, repeatedly. Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 12:34:44 AM 427 Views
Yeah, and I repeatedly tried to show you the clues... Etzel - 30/03/2010 09:17:59 AM 354 Views
You have never provided anything even resembling evidence. Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 08:20:54 PM 334 Views
Dude Etzel - 30/03/2010 09:49:05 PM 319 Views
You know what's really embarrassing? Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 10:28:38 PM 437 Views
be nice *NM* saidarisnowtainted - 31/03/2010 01:22:03 AM 181 Views
One last time... Etzel - 31/03/2010 09:18:01 AM 355 Views
Re: One last time... Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 06:20:24 PM 357 Views
No... Etzel - 31/03/2010 06:31:57 PM 339 Views
Re: No... Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 11:43:42 PM 386 Views
So... Etzel - 01/04/2010 10:22:31 AM 347 Views
Re: So... Fanatic-Templar - 01/04/2010 06:41:34 PM 447 Views
Egwene did it though darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 02:26:10 AM 351 Views
Not before Lord of Chaos she didn't. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 08:03:12 AM 340 Views
Rand does it in the end of TFoH, though, shortly before Asmo's death. *NM* Etzel - 09/04/2010 08:34:23 AM 193 Views
But we don't actually see that darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 12:23:37 PM 345 Views
But why would he return to his starting point, makes no sense. Etzel - 09/04/2010 12:44:21 PM 364 Views
by your argument Rand should have re-entered the waking world outside to join that battle darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 07:58:26 PM 341 Views
Hmm. True, that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 07:28:15 PM 306 Views
I see what you are saying now darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 12:08:00 PM 311 Views
Yep Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 07:27:27 PM 325 Views
A question on balefire/2 servants The Angry Druid - 24/03/2010 04:31:49 PM 315 Views
Re: A question on balefire/2 servants TaskmasterJack - 24/03/2010 05:03:32 PM 322 Views
First rule of balefire: Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:44:17 AM 325 Views
Re: First rule of balefire: Whatever RJ wants to undo from it is what BF does! darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 06:59:04 PM 302 Views
Yep, that's my understanding too. Gher - 25/03/2010 07:00:39 PM 341 Views
On the servants theory Etzel - 25/03/2010 11:33:08 AM 321 Views
Rand's odd wounds newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 02:48:58 AM 305 Views
RJ said that special properties of TAR was responsible for the wounds. Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:47:01 AM 319 Views
Who says the Dark One couldn't bring Asmodean back? Why would he want to? Cannoli - 25/03/2010 05:50:55 AM 403 Views
RJ said that. *NM* Etzel - 25/03/2010 09:31:32 AM 302 Views
Do you have that quote handy? darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 07:01:06 PM 327 Views
From memory, but can't find the URL newyorkersedai - 28/03/2010 08:09:29 PM 312 Views
Here: Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:48:36 AM 324 Views
thanks! good job *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 10:13:12 PM 154 Views
You dont address all the criteria saidarisnowtainted - 30/03/2010 11:27:58 PM 322 Views
Did you mean me? *NM* newyorkersedai - 31/03/2010 05:54:56 AM 150 Views
@Fanatic-Templar: Proof Slayer can't travel through T'A'R... BlackAdder - 31/03/2010 03:54:19 AM 323 Views
Exactly my point. Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 05:02:41 AM 334 Views
Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes newyorkersedai - 31/03/2010 05:56:46 AM 369 Views
Lan can swordfight with his boots? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 06:41:53 AM 167 Views
I don't think so... read again *NM* BlackAdder - 31/03/2010 10:54:03 PM 143 Views
Re: Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes saidarisnowtainted - 31/03/2010 03:52:16 PM 346 Views
thanks! but as soon as I posted newyorkersedai - 01/04/2010 03:43:59 AM 322 Views
Re: Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson saidarisnowtainted - 14/05/2010 01:28:38 AM 369 Views
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