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The problem is that people don't read the books or at least ignore what is said about Slayer... Etzel Send a noteboard - 25/03/2010 09:41:09 AM
... we didn't even know that Slayer could travel the Dreamworld at the time. When he was shot in the dreamwoods by Perrin in The Shadow Rising he woke up in Emond's Field, like he was just an ordinary Dreamwalker. At the time I thought he was simply Luc who became Isam when he was in Tel'aran'rhiod.

The way Slayer's powers work in that book are bizarrely different from those he employs elsewhere.

We were supposed to have all the information we needed at the time, so it seems improbable that we are supposed to divine that the perpetrator was someone using powers that we did not even know he possessed until several books later. At the time, Slayer had not demonstrated the ability to enter the Dreamworld in the flesh, and therefore to travel using it.


For example is the following talk between Hopper and Perrin in TSR, ch.28, quite revealing:
"You chase Slayer, Young Bull. He it here in the flesh, and he can kill."
“In the flesh? You mean not just dreaming? How can he be here in the flesh?”
"I do not know. It is a thing dimly remembered from long ago, come again as so much else. Things of the Shadow walk the dream, now. Creatures of Heartfang. There a no safety."

And a bit later Birgitte tells Perrin after he mentions Slayer: “A good name for him. This Slayer is not old, archer, but his evil is ancient.”

This shows that Slayer is very deadly, uses TAR in the flesh and obviously got this ability from the DO.

How you could think at the time of TSR that Slayer is just an ordinary Dreamwalker, but certainly can't be in TAR in the flesh, is simply beyond me. The information is there, you just have to remember it. And if you manage this, it's also not that difficult anymore to find out Asmo's obvious killer, namely Slayer.

Plus, Slayer always leaves the corpses behind.


If his Forsaken patron wanted that Slayer takes the corpse, he would naturally do it.
This message last edited by Etzel on 25/03/2010 at 09:46:49 AM
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Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson newyorkersedai - 22/03/2010 01:53:54 AM 1977 Views
idle speculation != "Intuitivly obvious" Nargs - 22/03/2010 03:01:10 AM 751 Views
The best explanation for the "intuitively obvious"-comment is... Etzel - 22/03/2010 09:41:32 AM 804 Views
So again...how would Slayer know he was in the hallway? Jeordam - 22/03/2010 03:18:51 PM 910 Views
I think Slayer spied on Asmo Etzel - 22/03/2010 03:45:20 PM 631 Views
Fair enough.... Jeordam - 22/03/2010 06:25:25 PM 914 Views
I think... Etzel - 23/03/2010 09:31:41 AM 729 Views
I agree. Slayer is the most intuitively obvious candidate. *NM* Narg - 22/03/2010 06:29:07 PM 304 Views
Slayer....the book4 minor villian? *NM* Jeordam - 22/03/2010 06:34:52 PM 560 Views
Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. Etzel - 23/03/2010 09:11:39 AM 613 Views
Re: Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 07:16:59 PM 648 Views
In my view, Graendal might have sent Slayer, which would explain her knowledge. *NM* Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:45:14 AM 664 Views
Actually that's one of my hang-ups about Slayer too darius_sedai - 06/04/2010 02:27:22 PM 632 Views
As far as I'm concerned... Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:42:53 AM 634 Views
The problem is that people don't read the books or at least ignore what is said about Slayer... Etzel - 25/03/2010 09:41:09 AM 640 Views
Correction... Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 05:22:46 PM 571 Views
So, basically... Etzel - 25/03/2010 05:50:42 PM 601 Views
The clues are there? Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:29:16 PM 634 Views
Re: The clues are there? newyorkersedai - 26/03/2010 12:51:43 AM 620 Views
He wasn't being insulting, I don't think. Fanatic-Templar - 26/03/2010 02:16:26 AM 674 Views
well, RJ was a nuclear engineer. 'Nuff said about obviousness, huh? newyorkersedai - 26/03/2010 04:38:00 AM 708 Views
Apparently... Etzel - 26/03/2010 08:58:32 AM 649 Views
No it isn't. Fanatic-Templar - 26/03/2010 05:43:02 PM 608 Views
You don't understand... Etzel - 27/03/2010 09:11:35 AM 639 Views
Re: You don't understand... Fanatic-Templar - 27/03/2010 05:23:35 PM 655 Views
Re: You don't understand... newyorkersedai - 28/03/2010 08:17:40 PM 601 Views
Yes, it's Winter's Heart. Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 04:01:41 AM 618 Views
Both merged into one being Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:43:47 AM 653 Views
Not what I asked. Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 06:10:42 PM 588 Views
If he couldn't do this... Etzel - 29/03/2010 06:59:16 PM 618 Views
Re: If he couldn't do this... Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 07:46:39 PM 599 Views
That Basel Gill comparison just silly... Etzel - 29/03/2010 08:49:19 PM 648 Views
Clearly, one of you has proved that Basel Gill is Demandred *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 10:12:00 PM 296 Views
I've asked you only one question, repeatedly. Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 12:34:44 AM 663 Views
Yeah, and I repeatedly tried to show you the clues... Etzel - 30/03/2010 09:17:59 AM 598 Views
You have never provided anything even resembling evidence. Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 08:20:54 PM 565 Views
Dude Etzel - 30/03/2010 09:49:05 PM 546 Views
You know what's really embarrassing? Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 10:28:38 PM 699 Views
be nice *NM* saidarisnowtainted - 31/03/2010 01:22:03 AM 287 Views
One last time... Etzel - 31/03/2010 09:18:01 AM 613 Views
Re: One last time... Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 06:20:24 PM 632 Views
No... Etzel - 31/03/2010 06:31:57 PM 636 Views
Re: No... Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 11:43:42 PM 610 Views
So... Etzel - 01/04/2010 10:22:31 AM 588 Views
Re: So... Fanatic-Templar - 01/04/2010 06:41:34 PM 716 Views
Egwene did it though darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 02:26:10 AM 598 Views
Not before Lord of Chaos she didn't. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 08:03:12 AM 612 Views
Rand does it in the end of TFoH, though, shortly before Asmo's death. *NM* Etzel - 09/04/2010 08:34:23 AM 299 Views
But we don't actually see that darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 12:23:37 PM 603 Views
But why would he return to his starting point, makes no sense. Etzel - 09/04/2010 12:44:21 PM 690 Views
by your argument Rand should have re-entered the waking world outside to join that battle darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 07:58:26 PM 624 Views
Hmm. True, that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 07:28:15 PM 523 Views
I see what you are saying now darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 12:08:00 PM 547 Views
Yep Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 07:27:27 PM 563 Views
A question on balefire/2 servants The Angry Druid - 24/03/2010 04:31:49 PM 582 Views
Re: A question on balefire/2 servants TaskmasterJack - 24/03/2010 05:03:32 PM 616 Views
First rule of balefire: Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:44:17 AM 574 Views
Re: First rule of balefire: Whatever RJ wants to undo from it is what BF does! darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 06:59:04 PM 571 Views
Yep, that's my understanding too. Gher - 25/03/2010 07:00:39 PM 611 Views
On the servants theory Etzel - 25/03/2010 11:33:08 AM 563 Views
Rand's odd wounds newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 02:48:58 AM 555 Views
RJ said that special properties of TAR was responsible for the wounds. Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:47:01 AM 561 Views
Who says the Dark One couldn't bring Asmodean back? Why would he want to? Cannoli - 25/03/2010 05:50:55 AM 656 Views
RJ said that. *NM* Etzel - 25/03/2010 09:31:32 AM 542 Views
Do you have that quote handy? darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 07:01:06 PM 569 Views
From memory, but can't find the URL newyorkersedai - 28/03/2010 08:09:29 PM 565 Views
Here: Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:48:36 AM 561 Views
thanks! good job *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 10:13:12 PM 267 Views
You dont address all the criteria saidarisnowtainted - 30/03/2010 11:27:58 PM 577 Views
Did you mean me? *NM* newyorkersedai - 31/03/2010 05:54:56 AM 260 Views
@Fanatic-Templar: Proof Slayer can't travel through T'A'R... BlackAdder - 31/03/2010 03:54:19 AM 583 Views
Exactly my point. Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 05:02:41 AM 582 Views
Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes newyorkersedai - 31/03/2010 05:56:46 AM 614 Views
Lan can swordfight with his boots? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 06:41:53 AM 281 Views
I don't think so... read again *NM* BlackAdder - 31/03/2010 10:54:03 PM 255 Views
Re: Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes saidarisnowtainted - 31/03/2010 03:52:16 PM 605 Views
thanks! but as soon as I posted newyorkersedai - 01/04/2010 03:43:59 AM 562 Views
Re: Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson saidarisnowtainted - 14/05/2010 01:28:38 AM 626 Views
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