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Not at all... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 04/09/2009 09:23:09 PM

If most Aes Sedai seem happy to live in their little bubble of superiority and inter-Ajah politics, why would a full third of them Rebel against Elaida? You do realize that those crazy actions of hers are exactly why these women are Rebelling? By trying to excise a leader who does so much harm, these women are doing good, and hence, are not superfluous.


Most of Elaida's policies have been against other Aes Sedai. Disbanding the Blue, ordering sisters strapped/demoted, seizing power in the way she did...

If Elaida had only made bad decisions in regards to the outside world, and had kept the Ajahs happy, I highly, HIGHLY doubt there would be a rebellion.


(Not that I think the Salidar AS are out of line- I'm just saying that they didn't rebel out of outrage that Elaida bungled the Rand situation.)

What you're forgetting is that Elaida deposed Siuan over the Rand business and its Siuan's worry over what Elaida would do to Rand that made her strengthen and entrench the rebellion. Same with Egwene.
And many Sitters in the Rebellion at least do worry that Elaida as a Red would totally mishandle Rand. The argument is simple. How can they trust a woman so into her own power to leads the Tower well during Tarmon Gaidon?
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You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous beetnemesis - 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM 1253 Views
Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower... vandevere - 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM 841 Views
Well said. Hadn't really thought of it that way before *NM* Bryce - 03/09/2009 12:01:30 AM 509 Views
That is the inspiration for the Aes Sedai that RJ used - I can't find the article, though. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/09/2009 02:39:14 PM 790 Views
When I was reading this I was thinking of the paralells between the white tower and Tashmere - 03/09/2009 02:47:33 AM 994 Views
And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM 859 Views
Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. Corwin - 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM 825 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM 794 Views
Re: Really? Corwin - 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM 752 Views
So lets add a few more NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM 758 Views
most of these are accounted for above ranagrande - 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM 820 Views
Just because we don't know all their names, doesn't mean their effectiveness on the Pattern was less RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/09/2009 03:19:41 PM 812 Views
But who did the work? NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM 661 Views
While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM 681 Views
So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count? NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM 700 Views
Actually I think that's his point ranagrande - 04/09/2009 01:40:37 PM 792 Views
Spot-on beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 08:56:30 PM 609 Views
Re: Actually I think that's his point NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM 648 Views
Re: But who did the work? ranagrande - 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM 736 Views
Only one point because obviously your mind is made up. NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM 755 Views
well, yeah ranagrande - 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM 780 Views
In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. fionwe1987 - 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM 685 Views
Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 681 Views
No, fionwe1987 is absolutely right! ranagrande - 05/09/2009 05:13:39 PM 643 Views
I'm glad the real world disagrees with you NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 05:05:50 PM 682 Views
I'm not convinced that it does ranagrande - 05/09/2009 05:44:10 PM 783 Views
I don't understand your point Sidious - 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM 704 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Corwin - 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM 754 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Sidious - 03/09/2009 09:23:53 PM 689 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Corwin - 05/09/2009 09:02:47 AM 907 Views
Re: I don't understand your point NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 09:49:58 PM 677 Views
I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow, beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM 687 Views
So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM 628 Views
I'm talking about the organization as a whole beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM 708 Views
No you are talking about Elaida NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:32:59 PM 639 Views
You just made our point... fionwe1987 - 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM 716 Views
Well, because most of her actions infringe on that "bubble" beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 09:00:52 PM 616 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 04/09/2009 09:23:09 PM 739 Views
WT has been THE single greatest force for stagancy and lack of development. Lohikaarme - 09/09/2009 08:58:58 AM 650 Views
Like I said earlier the AS are superfluous except the ones who aren't superfluous. NaClH2O - 09/09/2009 11:55:47 AM 732 Views
To a certain extent ajsr1982 - 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM 877 Views
Definitely. And Egwene is in denial. beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:53:14 PM 712 Views
Some pretty big blanket statements NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:24:50 PM 827 Views
Without the Tower Voscaia Sedai - 03/09/2009 02:05:09 PM 623 Views
Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here. nossy - 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM 663 Views
Agrees with Nossy NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM 956 Views
That's mostly what I was trying to say beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 09:03:52 PM 629 Views
Re: That's mostly what I was trying to say NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 03:33:46 AM 980 Views
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