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Re: Actually I think that's his point NaClH2O Send a noteboard - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM
Individual Aes Sedai can and often do perform great acts. The Aes Sedai as a collective on the other hand, whether it's the united White Tower, Elaida's Tower, or the Salidar rebels, accomplish little. I would have to look into it all a bit more closely to be sure (perhaps during another reread) but it might even be fair to say that they do more harm than good.


You are conveniently forgetting that for all practical purposes Elaida IS the WT. At least as far a public pronouncements and actions are concerned. If you haven't noticed, she rules the tower with an iron fist, and the least bit of non-compliance with her edicts (or the ones given her by the Black Ajah) are met with exceedingly harsh punishment. I've already agreed with the OP that as far as fighting the Shadow is concerned Elaida is pretty superfluous. But that's NOT what was written!!! The original post said "Aes Sedai are superfluous". That is what I disagree with. If the orignal post had said. "Elaida is such a meglomaniac that she is effing everything up" I would go "Right on brother" In fact approx 1/3 of all AS agree to the extent that they are focused 100% on getting her out of there.
Unfortunately, that is not what the original post said. Basically he said that the only thing the AS do is bumble about getting in other ppls way.

NaCl(THAT is what I take issue with)H2O
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You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous beetnemesis - 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM 1252 Views
Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower... vandevere - 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM 841 Views
Well said. Hadn't really thought of it that way before *NM* Bryce - 03/09/2009 12:01:30 AM 509 Views
That is the inspiration for the Aes Sedai that RJ used - I can't find the article, though. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/09/2009 02:39:14 PM 789 Views
When I was reading this I was thinking of the paralells between the white tower and Tashmere - 03/09/2009 02:47:33 AM 994 Views
And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM 859 Views
Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. Corwin - 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM 824 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM 794 Views
Re: Really? Corwin - 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM 752 Views
So lets add a few more NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM 758 Views
most of these are accounted for above ranagrande - 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM 820 Views
Just because we don't know all their names, doesn't mean their effectiveness on the Pattern was less RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/09/2009 03:19:41 PM 812 Views
But who did the work? NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM 661 Views
While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM 680 Views
So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count? NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM 699 Views
Actually I think that's his point ranagrande - 04/09/2009 01:40:37 PM 792 Views
Spot-on beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 08:56:30 PM 609 Views
Re: Actually I think that's his point NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM 648 Views
Re: But who did the work? ranagrande - 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM 736 Views
Only one point because obviously your mind is made up. NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM 755 Views
well, yeah ranagrande - 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM 780 Views
In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. fionwe1987 - 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM 685 Views
Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 680 Views
No, fionwe1987 is absolutely right! ranagrande - 05/09/2009 05:13:39 PM 643 Views
I'm glad the real world disagrees with you NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 05:05:50 PM 682 Views
I'm not convinced that it does ranagrande - 05/09/2009 05:44:10 PM 782 Views
I don't understand your point Sidious - 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM 704 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Corwin - 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM 754 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Sidious - 03/09/2009 09:23:53 PM 689 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Corwin - 05/09/2009 09:02:47 AM 907 Views
Re: I don't understand your point NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 09:49:58 PM 676 Views
I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow, beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM 686 Views
So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM 627 Views
I'm talking about the organization as a whole beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM 707 Views
No you are talking about Elaida NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:32:59 PM 639 Views
You just made our point... fionwe1987 - 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM 716 Views
Well, because most of her actions infringe on that "bubble" beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 09:00:52 PM 616 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 04/09/2009 09:23:09 PM 738 Views
WT has been THE single greatest force for stagancy and lack of development. Lohikaarme - 09/09/2009 08:58:58 AM 649 Views
Like I said earlier the AS are superfluous except the ones who aren't superfluous. NaClH2O - 09/09/2009 11:55:47 AM 732 Views
To a certain extent ajsr1982 - 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM 875 Views
Definitely. And Egwene is in denial. beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:53:14 PM 712 Views
Some pretty big blanket statements NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:24:50 PM 826 Views
Without the Tower Voscaia Sedai - 03/09/2009 02:05:09 PM 623 Views
Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here. nossy - 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM 663 Views
Agrees with Nossy NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM 956 Views
That's mostly what I was trying to say beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 09:03:52 PM 629 Views
Re: That's mostly what I was trying to say NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 03:33:46 AM 980 Views
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