Who is Snape's source, and why is he telling Voldemort? He no longer has the access to the Order which would make it likely for him to obtain the information, so he could escape it. Is it so that he will be in favour and gain the Headmastership? That would seem the most sensible explanation for me at this point. But I cannot remember. Has he gotten the information from Mundungus?
How has Voldemort come by the information that he must be the one to kill Harry? Has he simply deduced it from earlier failed attempts by others?
Plans to kill Scrimgeour are in place (not surprising, I suppose).
And Wormtail's hand is touched on as there is a trace of silver when he leaves the room. Just in case we forgot.
There is the whole sub-plot of Dumbledore's past, which is central to the book. Discovering Dumbledore is about as important as defeating Voldemort, I think, and while the Voldemort story is the plot cupon part of the book, Dumbledore's back history is the nod back to the detective story structure of the earlier books. In these chapters we are told that Dumbledore's father killed muggles and that Dumbledore loved them.
And then the clues that will later put this into question: the grand tour that was planned but never happened, Dumbledore forced to take care of his siblings rather than make the most of his talents, the death or Ariana (with Dumbledore's feeling of guilt hidden in Doge's assurance that of course he must be guiltless) leading to an estrangement from Aberforth. And, of course, the duel with Grindewald, which is so central to the whole plot of the book. There is so much there already in the first newspaper clipping. Even "the greater good". And then that is followed by the dangling suggestions of the Skeeter interview.
There is also the blue eye in the mirror fragment, which Harry takes to be Dumbledore, but which will (if I recall correctly) turn out to be Dobby.
It is interesting that the magical community is for once intruding on the Dursleys' lives in a protective way. In order to protect them against a worse violent intrusion, of course -- perhaps that invalidates it. But I think this is the first time magic has been used to help them. I thought it worth noting since it has been a topic before.
How has Voldemort come by the information that he must be the one to kill Harry? Has he simply deduced it from earlier failed attempts by others?
Plans to kill Scrimgeour are in place (not surprising, I suppose).
And Wormtail's hand is touched on as there is a trace of silver when he leaves the room. Just in case we forgot.
There is the whole sub-plot of Dumbledore's past, which is central to the book. Discovering Dumbledore is about as important as defeating Voldemort, I think, and while the Voldemort story is the plot cupon part of the book, Dumbledore's back history is the nod back to the detective story structure of the earlier books. In these chapters we are told that Dumbledore's father killed muggles and that Dumbledore loved them.
And then the clues that will later put this into question: the grand tour that was planned but never happened, Dumbledore forced to take care of his siblings rather than make the most of his talents, the death or Ariana (with Dumbledore's feeling of guilt hidden in Doge's assurance that of course he must be guiltless) leading to an estrangement from Aberforth. And, of course, the duel with Grindewald, which is so central to the whole plot of the book. There is so much there already in the first newspaper clipping. Even "the greater good". And then that is followed by the dangling suggestions of the Skeeter interview.
There is also the blue eye in the mirror fragment, which Harry takes to be Dumbledore, but which will (if I recall correctly) turn out to be Dobby.
It is interesting that the magical community is for once intruding on the Dursleys' lives in a protective way. In order to protect them against a worse violent intrusion, of course -- perhaps that invalidates it. But I think this is the first time magic has been used to help them. I thought it worth noting since it has been a topic before.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book 7 - The Deathly Hallows
- 24/11/2010 07:47:44 PM
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Suggestions - tell us what we could do better for this final discussion.
- 24/11/2010 07:48:22 PM
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The series as a whole: overall thoughts about the Harry Potter universe and all it contains
- 24/11/2010 07:49:21 PM
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Overall thoughts for The Deathly Hallows
- 24/11/2010 07:50:12 PM
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This might be the only book other than the first where I actually like Harry.
- 30/11/2010 03:13:25 PM
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Argh, I keep mixing everything up with the movie!
- 04/12/2010 03:45:24 PM
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Re: Argh, I keep mixing everything up with the movie!
- 04/12/2010 10:33:03 PM
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Going all the way back to the beginning in a number of ways, all of them so far excellent.
- 07/12/2010 10:19:33 PM
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Having finished it again... it's good, at times great, but not the best book in the series, imho.
- 26/12/2010 08:19:47 PM
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Chapters 1-3: The Dark Lord Ascending, In Memorian, The Dursleys Departing.
- 24/11/2010 07:51:29 PM
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Characters: Voldemort, the Death Eaters, Harry, Dodge, Dumbledore, Skeeter & the Dursleys
- 24/11/2010 07:52:55 PM
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Snape, Draco, Lucius, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Ms Burbage, Dumbledore, and the Dursleys.
- 24/11/2010 11:46:16 PM
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Draco, female Death Eaters, Dumbledore.
- 25/11/2010 04:44:36 PM
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Re: Draco, female Death Eaters, Dumbledore.
- 25/11/2010 04:53:25 PM
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As Katie said, the husband is still around.
- 26/11/2010 10:56:30 AM
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Re: Charity Burbage
- 25/11/2010 06:47:43 PM
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Re: Charity Burbage
- 25/11/2010 06:48:52 PM
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Dudley
- 30/11/2010 03:16:25 PM
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Agreed, but she just went overboard too far early on for it to be credible now.
- 06/12/2010 08:44:48 PM
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Plotting, writing, early themes.
- 24/11/2010 07:53:33 PM
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*spoilers for book 7*
- 24/11/2010 11:47:19 PM
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- 24/11/2010 11:47:19 PM
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Anything else? *NM*
- 24/11/2010 07:53:46 PM
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other stuff
- 24/11/2010 11:47:54 PM
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I've always thought Rowling went overboard with the Nazi links.
- 25/11/2010 04:26:58 PM
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Re: I've always thought Rowling went overboard with the Nazi links.
- 27/11/2010 01:20:44 AM
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Chapters 4-6: The Seven Potters, The Fallen Warrior, The Ghoul in Pyjamas *NM*
- 26/11/2010 07:27:53 PM
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Characters: Harry, the Order, Hedwig, Mr & Mrs Tonks, Voldemort, etc
- 26/11/2010 07:29:48 PM
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Harry, the twins, Mr and Mrs Tonks, Lupin, Mr and Mrs Weasley, Scrimgeour and Hermione
- 27/11/2010 11:56:17 AM
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Re: Harry, the twins, Mr and Mrs Tonks, Lupin, Mr and Mrs Weasley, Scrimgeour and Hermione
- 30/11/2010 02:52:12 PM
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The Plot. The Writing. The Other Technical Things.
- 26/11/2010 07:30:35 PM
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Re: The Plot. The Writing. The Other Technical Things.
- 27/11/2010 11:59:36 AM
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Yes, Dumbledore gives a very complex answer about the wand thing
- 01/12/2010 08:44:57 PM
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Any other thoughts? *NM*
- 26/11/2010 07:30:49 PM
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Chapters 7-9: The Will of Albus Dumbledore, The Wedding, A Place to Hide
- 29/11/2010 06:39:52 PM
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The characters: usual suspects, Scrimgeour, Doge, Krum, Luna, Xenophilius, etc.
- 29/11/2010 06:41:41 PM
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I just realized something about Krum.
- 06/12/2010 09:00:28 PM
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The action.
- 29/11/2010 06:42:10 PM
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Hermione and obliviate.
- 30/11/2010 02:23:51 PM
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Re: Hermione and obliviate.
- 30/11/2010 03:24:06 PM
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I think this was a Rowling mistake. It happens
- 01/12/2010 08:32:25 PM
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Agreed, though a rather blatant one that someone should have caught... *NM*
- 06/12/2010 08:18:58 PM
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Kreacher quoting Regulus raises an interesting point...
- 06/12/2010 08:33:02 PM
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Er, I posted this in the wrong place. That's what I get when I try to catch up.
Sorry. *NM*
- 06/12/2010 08:34:06 PM
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Sorry. *NM*
- 06/12/2010 08:34:06 PM
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Please, sir, may I have some more? *NM*
- 29/11/2010 06:44:14 PM
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I love the use of Patronuses (Patroni?) as messengers.
- 30/11/2010 02:59:04 PM
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Chapters 10-12: Kreacher's Tale, The Bribe, Magic is Might
- 01/12/2010 11:41:40 PM
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Characters: more of the trio, Kreacher, Mundungus, RAB and Umbridge
- 01/12/2010 11:42:34 PM
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Hermione and Ron, Sirius, Regulus, Kreacher, Lupin, Harry, Scrimgeour
- 02/12/2010 09:11:21 AM
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Re: Hermione and Ron, Sirius, Regulus, Kreacher, Lupin, Harry, Scrimgeour
- 04/12/2010 10:55:34 PM
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Seconded. Righteous anger is more fun than whiny angst-anger. *NM*
- 06/12/2010 09:41:16 PM
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I'm not sure why we're supposed to be surprised about Scrimgeour.
- 06/12/2010 09:46:27 PM
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Two things about Mafalda Hopkirk.
- 06/12/2010 09:54:53 PM
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Weaving the plot, the writing, and thematic matters.
- 01/12/2010 11:43:25 PM
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The fidelius charm discussion, the invisibility cloak, the taboo, transfiguring food, and fear.
- 02/12/2010 09:14:21 AM
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Re: The fidelius charm discussion, the invisibility cloak, the taboo, transfiguring food, and fear.
- 02/12/2010 02:12:29 PM
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Re: The fidelius charm discussion, the invisibility cloak, the taboo, transfiguring food, and fear.
- 02/12/2010 02:35:06 PM
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Re: The fidelius charm discussion, the invisibility cloak, the taboo, transfiguring food, and fear.
- 02/12/2010 04:16:14 PM
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And? And? And? *NM*
- 01/12/2010 11:43:46 PM
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Did we have a discussion for a previous book about how many wizarding schools there are?
- 04/12/2010 10:21:42 PM
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Re: Did we have a discussion for a previous book about how many wizarding schools there are?
- 04/12/2010 10:32:17 PM
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Chapters 13-15: The Muggle-Born Registration Commission, The Thief, The Goblin's Revenge *NM*
- 04/12/2010 11:01:25 AM
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Characters: Ministry members, the trio, Ted, Dean, Dirk, Goblins, Phineas Nigellus
- 04/12/2010 11:07:57 AM
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Umbridge, Mr Weasley, Percy, Phineas Nigellus, Ron and the second trio
- 04/12/2010 09:59:45 PM
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Re: Umbridge, Mr Weasley, Percy, Phineas Nigellus, Ron and the second trio
- 06/12/2010 10:41:08 PM
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Re: Umbridge, Mr Weasley, Percy, Phineas Nigellus, Ron and the second trio
- 06/12/2010 10:45:17 PM
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Plotting, writing, theming.
- 04/12/2010 11:08:47 AM
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Apparating and the fidelius charm, some good plotting and the food problem.
- 04/12/2010 10:01:16 PM
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Anything else? *NM*
- 04/12/2010 11:10:52 AM
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It may be a stretch, but with all the Nazi references, any WW2 reference is gonna catch my eye.
- 06/12/2010 10:09:04 PM
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Re: It may be a stretch, but with all the Nazi references, any WW2 reference is gonna catch my eye.
- 06/12/2010 10:17:42 PM
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Chapters 16-18: Godric's Hollow, Bathilda's Secret, The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore
- 06/12/2010 09:57:00 PM
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Characters: Harry, Hermione, Bathilda, Dumbledore and others
- 06/12/2010 09:57:52 PM
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Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
- 06/12/2010 10:02:13 PM
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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
- 06/12/2010 10:14:26 PM
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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
- 06/12/2010 10:18:15 PM
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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
- 06/12/2010 10:34:15 PM
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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
- 06/12/2010 10:36:18 PM
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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
- 06/12/2010 10:39:58 PM
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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
- 06/12/2010 10:42:27 PM
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I was interpreting it as sheer sexism, but you might be right.
- 07/12/2010 08:47:11 PM
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Re: I was interpreting it as sheer sexism, but you might be right.
- 07/12/2010 08:55:54 PM
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Lights! Camera! Action!
- 06/12/2010 09:59:52 PM
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But wait! There's more!
- 06/12/2010 10:00:34 PM
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Chapters 19-21: The Silver Doe, Xenophilius Lovegood, The Tale of the Three Brothers
- 08/12/2010 08:47:04 PM
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Characters: Harry, Hermione, Ron, Lovegood ... and not many more. *NM*
- 08/12/2010 08:49:28 PM
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Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
- 09/12/2010 12:01:57 AM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
- 09/12/2010 03:04:11 PM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
- 09/12/2010 08:03:05 PM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
- 09/12/2010 11:48:08 PM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
- 10/12/2010 08:44:01 PM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
- 10/12/2010 09:00:44 PM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
- 10/12/2010 09:16:48 PM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
- 10/12/2010 09:19:38 PM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
- 19/12/2010 06:58:04 PM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
- 20/12/2010 09:36:17 AM
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What was that again about Hermione not being so good at thinking on her feet?
- 09/12/2010 07:52:23 PM
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Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last.
- 08/12/2010 08:50:53 PM
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Re: Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last.
- 09/12/2010 12:04:37 AM
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Re: Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last.
- 09/12/2010 03:25:53 PM
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I don't think it works that way. They aren't "used up".
- 09/12/2010 06:52:29 PM
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up up down down left right left right b a select start. look at me I have 99 horcruxes!
- 10/12/2010 04:19:56 AM
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- 10/12/2010 04:19:56 AM
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They're not so annoying yet, now.
- 09/12/2010 06:56:46 PM
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Re: They're not so annoying yet, now.
- 09/12/2010 11:52:02 PM
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Plus, it totally cheapens ability and skill if you have some "magic (magic) wand".
- 10/12/2010 08:56:28 PM
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- 10/12/2010 08:56:28 PM
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Re: Plus, it totally cheapens ability and skill if you have some "magic (magic) wand".
- 10/12/2010 08:59:41 PM
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- 10/12/2010 08:59:41 PM
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Chapters 22-24: The Deathly Hallows, Malfoy Manor, The Wandmaker.
- 10/12/2010 09:11:32 PM
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Characters: The Trio, the Malfoys, Dobby, a number of others. *NM*
- 10/12/2010 09:12:30 PM
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Hermione, Harry, Lupin, Greyback, Draco, Lucius, Bellatrix, Dobby, Dumbledore
- 10/12/2010 11:23:09 PM
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Re: Hermione, Harry, Lupin, Greyback, Draco, Lucius, Bellatrix, Dobby, Dumbledore
- 13/12/2010 08:47:27 PM
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Re: Hermione, Harry, Lupin, Greyback, Draco, Lucius, Bellatrix, Dobby, Dumbledore
- 13/12/2010 09:26:58 PM
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On a side note about wands
- 14/12/2010 06:05:13 PM
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Yes, I've caught myself immaturely sniggering on occasion, too.
- 14/12/2010 08:59:26 PM
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- 14/12/2010 08:59:26 PM
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Re: Yes, I've caught myself immaturely sniggering on occasion, too.
- 14/12/2010 09:04:43 PM
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- 14/12/2010 09:04:43 PM
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Plot, writing, themes. *NM*
- 10/12/2010 09:13:37 PM
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An epiphany, Gollum, wands, the fidelius charm, grief, love and a strange blurring
- 10/12/2010 11:24:05 PM
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Re: An epiphany, Gollum, wands, the fidelius charm, grief, love and a strange blurring
- 20/12/2010 01:00:38 PM
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Re: An epiphany, Gollum, wands, the fidelius charm, grief, love and a strange blurring
- 20/12/2010 07:32:48 PM
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Chapters 25-27: Shell Cottage, Gringotts, The Final Hiding Place
- 13/12/2010 10:03:15 PM
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Characters *NM*
- 13/12/2010 10:03:29 PM
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Harry, Fleur, Ron, Griphook, Lupin, the dragon, Bellatrix and Voldemort.
- 14/12/2010 05:16:51 PM
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Re: Harry, Fleur, Ron, Griphook, Lupin, the dragon, Bellatrix and Voldemort.
- 14/12/2010 10:04:09 PM
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Re: Harry, Fleur, Ron, Griphook, Lupin, the dragon, Bellatrix and Voldemort.
- 14/12/2010 10:19:04 PM
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Re: Harry, Fleur, Ron, Griphook, Lupin, the dragon, Bellatrix and Voldemort.
- 14/12/2010 10:37:00 PM
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Re: Harry, Fleur, Ron, Griphook, Lupin, the dragon, Bellatrix and Voldemort.
- 14/12/2010 10:45:36 PM
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Re: Harry, Fleur, Ron, Griphook, Lupin, the dragon, Bellatrix and Voldemort.
- 20/12/2010 03:33:49 PM
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Re: Harry, Fleur, Ron, Griphook, Lupin, the dragon, Bellatrix and Voldemort.
- 20/12/2010 07:35:51 PM
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Plot, action, etc. *NM*
- 13/12/2010 10:04:02 PM
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red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle.
- 14/12/2010 05:17:11 PM
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Other things. *NM*
- 13/12/2010 10:04:23 PM
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Film stuff
- 14/12/2010 05:17:18 PM
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Excellent point.
- 14/12/2010 10:05:01 PM
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Re: Excellent point.
- 14/12/2010 10:09:53 PM
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Sometimes Rowling's parallels are far too simplistic and unsophisticated.
- 20/12/2010 03:39:50 PM
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Chapters 28-30: The Missing Mirror, The Lost Diadem, The Sacking of Severus Snape *NM*
- 16/12/2010 01:07:20 PM
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Characters *NM*
- 16/12/2010 01:07:31 PM
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Aberforth and Dumbledore, Neville, Ginny, Luna, McGonagall, Harry, Percy, Fleur and the twins
- 16/12/2010 11:52:46 PM
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- 20/12/2010 05:16:13 PM
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Re: Aberforth and Dumbledore, Neville, Ginny, Luna, McGonagall, Harry, Percy, Fleur and the twins
- 20/12/2010 11:02:45 PM
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Re: Aberforth and Dumbledore, Neville, Ginny, Luna, McGonagall, Harry, Percy, Fleur and the twins
- 26/12/2010 08:43:03 PM
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Writing, action, plot, theme, yadda yadda yadda. *NM*
- 16/12/2010 01:08:04 PM
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red herrings, solutions, evil Hogwarts and the forces of good
- 16/12/2010 11:53:56 PM
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Re: red herrings, solutions, evil Hogwarts and the forces of good
- 20/12/2010 05:38:46 PM
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Re: red herrings, solutions, evil Hogwarts and the forces of good
- 20/12/2010 11:06:01 PM
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Other things. *NM*
- 16/12/2010 01:08:25 PM
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Chapters 31-33: The Battle for Hogwarts, The Elder Wand, The Prince's Tale
- 19/12/2010 07:56:39 PM
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Characters: far too many to mention.
- 19/12/2010 07:58:41 PM
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Too many to mention, indeed.
- 20/12/2010 09:30:54 AM
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The action, and plot advancement and completion.
- 19/12/2010 08:00:09 PM
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memories, cinematic moments and parallels.
- 20/12/2010 09:32:27 AM
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Chapters 34-36: The Forest Again, King's Cross, The Flaw in the Plan
- 20/12/2010 07:31:27 PM
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Characters: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Ron, Hermione, et al.
- 20/12/2010 07:32:15 PM
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Harry, Dumbledore, Neville, the Malfoys, Molly and Voldemort
- 20/12/2010 11:28:19 PM
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Tying up the plot.
- 20/12/2010 07:33:00 PM
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Narnia, blood, revenge of the downtrodden, sacrifice, plans and souls
- 20/12/2010 11:29:44 PM
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Epilogue: the future.
- 20/12/2010 07:35:06 PM
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