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Hallows and Fidelius Charm. Camilla Send a noteboard - 06/12/2010 10:03:33 PM
Have I used this joke before?


Not that I can remember.

The Hallows plot develops -- first the discovery of the mark in the book, which lays the foundation for the connection to the story and all that comes of that; then with the reference to Krum's comment, which ties it to Grindewald; and then the discovery of the Peverell grave with the symbol in Godric's Hollow.

Regarding the Fidelius charm question: It is clear that Harry, at any rate, believes that the charm hid the house, not the people alone. This runs counter to Flitwick's comment in book 2 about pressing his nose to the glass without seeing them. And Voldemort's pov is also terribly inconclusive:

And along a new and darker street he moved, and now his destination was in sight at last, the Fidelius Charm broken, though they did not know it yet … They had not drawn the curtains, he saw them quite clearly in their little sitting room…

The talk of seeing a destination just means that he knows where he will find them. It does not necessarily mean that the house has only just become visible, and the reference to windows and being able to see them fits very neatly with Flitwick's comment earlier. And I don't think we get any clear resolution to the question later, either.

How does Bathilda, or the thing that looks like Bathilda, know they are under the cloak? I mean, she could have followed them from the graveyard, and seen the sign spring up as they touched the gate, but … Could it be that Nagini, being a horcrux, sensed the horcruxes in front of her?
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Hallows and Fidelius Charm. - 06/12/2010 10:03:33 PM 2656 Views
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As nutty as squirrel poo. - 06/12/2010 10:04:11 PM 2155 Views
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Oh, hadn't realized that yet either... nice one. *NM* - 07/12/2010 08:54:18 PM 1288 Views
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 10/12/2010 09:19:38 PM 2509 Views
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What was that again about Hermione not being so good at thinking on her feet? - 09/12/2010 07:52:23 PM 2506 Views
Very, very true. *NM* - 09/12/2010 11:54:06 PM 1262 Views
Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last. - 08/12/2010 08:50:53 PM 2615 Views
Re: Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last. - 09/12/2010 12:04:37 AM 2542 Views
Re: Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last. - 09/12/2010 03:25:53 PM 2576 Views
I don't think it works that way. They aren't "used up". - 09/12/2010 06:52:29 PM 2436 Views
Re: I don't think it works that way. They aren't "used up". - 09/12/2010 11:49:38 PM 2472 Views
Re: I don't think it works that way. They aren't "used up". - 10/12/2010 04:18:25 AM 2603 Views
up up down down left right left right b a select start. look at me I have 99 horcruxes! - 10/12/2010 04:19:56 AM 2221 Views
It is, but the general idea was clear. *NM* - 10/12/2010 08:45:55 PM 1239 Views
They're not so annoying yet, now. - 09/12/2010 06:56:46 PM 2400 Views
Re: They're not so annoying yet, now. - 09/12/2010 11:52:02 PM 2578 Views
Anything else you'd like to say? *NM* - 08/12/2010 08:51:31 PM 1254 Views
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Yes, I've caught myself immaturely sniggering on occasion, too. - 14/12/2010 08:59:26 PM 2573 Views
Harry: - 19/12/2010 11:14:51 PM 2450 Views
Re: Harry: - 20/12/2010 09:42:31 AM 2537 Views
Re: Harry: - 20/12/2010 12:54:14 PM 2582 Views
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Plot, action, etc. *NM* - 13/12/2010 10:04:02 PM 1243 Views
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The Gringotts book one reference fits into the pattern. - 14/12/2010 10:13:50 PM 2614 Views
Re: The Gringotts book one reference fits into the pattern. - 14/12/2010 10:27:35 PM 2671 Views
Re: red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle. - 20/12/2010 03:37:36 PM 2836 Views
Re: red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle. - 20/12/2010 07:37:07 PM 2566 Views
Other things. *NM* - 13/12/2010 10:04:23 PM 1169 Views
Film stuff - 14/12/2010 05:17:18 PM 2456 Views
Excellent point. - 14/12/2010 10:05:01 PM 2433 Views
Re: Excellent point. - 14/12/2010 10:09:53 PM 2469 Views
Are we talking about film or book here? - 20/12/2010 12:58:46 AM 2360 Views
Both, ideally. - 20/12/2010 09:43:06 AM 2375 Views
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Seconded. - 26/12/2010 08:29:44 PM 2545 Views
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Various characters. - 20/12/2010 01:10:42 AM 2502 Views
I think Percy's coming to his senses makes sense enough... - 26/12/2010 08:47:10 PM 2818 Views
Re: Aberforth and Dumbledore, Neville, Ginny, Luna, McGonagall, Harry, Percy, Fleur and the twins - 20/12/2010 05:16:13 PM 2535 Views
I seem to recall Dumbledore making a comment... - 26/12/2010 08:34:03 PM 2728 Views
Yes - 26/12/2010 09:18:56 PM 2469 Views
Writing, action, plot, theme, yadda yadda yadda. *NM* - 16/12/2010 01:08:04 PM 1270 Views
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Re: red herrings, solutions, evil Hogwarts and the forces of good - 20/12/2010 11:06:01 PM 2746 Views
Other things. *NM* - 16/12/2010 01:08:25 PM 1282 Views
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Re: Filch and a password. - 20/12/2010 05:41:02 PM 2465 Views
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Too many to mention, indeed. - 20/12/2010 09:30:54 AM 2760 Views
Re: Too many to mention, indeed. - 20/12/2010 07:02:05 PM 2645 Views
Re: Too many to mention, indeed. - 20/12/2010 11:24:46 PM 2531 Views
Re: Too many to mention, indeed. - 26/12/2010 09:46:25 PM 2879 Views
The action, and plot advancement and completion. - 19/12/2010 08:00:09 PM 2541 Views
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Re: memories, cinematic moments and parallels. - 20/12/2010 07:17:18 PM 2605 Views
Re: memories, cinematic moments and parallels. - 20/12/2010 11:17:57 PM 2523 Views
Re: memories, cinematic moments and parallels. - 01/01/2011 10:39:27 PM 2501 Views
Re: memories, cinematic moments and parallels. - 02/01/2011 10:29:38 AM 2616 Views
Other matters. *NM* - 19/12/2010 08:00:39 PM 1183 Views
More film stuff. - 20/12/2010 09:33:23 AM 2357 Views
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The Malfoys and Molly - 01/01/2011 10:55:28 PM 2682 Views
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Tying up the plot. - 20/12/2010 07:33:00 PM 2418 Views
Narnia, blood, revenge of the downtrodden, sacrifice, plans and souls - 20/12/2010 11:29:44 PM 2540 Views
Anything else? - 20/12/2010 07:33:53 PM 2527 Views
Epilogue: the future. - 20/12/2010 07:35:06 PM 2503 Views
Re: Epilogue: the future. - 20/12/2010 11:31:28 PM 2816 Views
I'm the other way around - I mind it less this time. - 26/12/2010 09:52:21 PM 2537 Views

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