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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter. Camilla Send a noteboard - 06/12/2010 10:36:18 PM
I was surprised that he said Lily didn't need to die. Can't remember right now whether he told her that or just thought it, but it's very surprising. He was quite gung ho about killing James. Maybe it was a promise to Snape or something like that? Lily is the reason Snape turned away from Voldemort.

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I might be reading too much into that?

No, I don't think you read too much into it at all. It is very plausible, certainly as I read it. Snape does say later on, I think (or earlier on -- I think it is in his memory) that Voldemort had promised not to hurt Lily. Clearly we now see how much promises mean to him.

Ah. I don't remember that. The reason I worried that I might be stretching things is because the idea of Voldemort making (and keeping) that kind of promise is odd. But I suppose he seems to be very fond of Snape - or as much as a being without love can be fond of someone.


Which is to say he sees him as a valuable ally. He is placed on Hogwarts, after all.
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I was interpreting it as sheer sexism, but you might be right. - 07/12/2010 08:47:11 PM 2026 Views
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True, but still. *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:02:00 PM 994 Views
Lights! Camera! Action! - 06/12/2010 09:59:52 PM 2039 Views
Hallows and Fidelius Charm. - 06/12/2010 10:03:33 PM 2194 Views
That could be it... or some snake senses, vibrations and all? - 07/12/2010 10:03:16 PM 1998 Views
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As nutty as squirrel poo. - 06/12/2010 10:04:11 PM 1700 Views
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Oh, hadn't realized that yet either... nice one. *NM* - 07/12/2010 08:54:18 PM 1032 Views
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 10/12/2010 09:19:38 PM 2062 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 19/12/2010 06:58:04 PM 2019 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 20/12/2010 09:36:17 AM 2047 Views
What was that again about Hermione not being so good at thinking on her feet? - 09/12/2010 07:52:23 PM 2076 Views
Very, very true. *NM* - 09/12/2010 11:54:06 PM 1009 Views
Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last. - 08/12/2010 08:50:53 PM 2162 Views
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Re: Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last. - 09/12/2010 03:25:53 PM 2062 Views
I don't think it works that way. They aren't "used up". - 09/12/2010 06:52:29 PM 2012 Views
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It is, but the general idea was clear. *NM* - 10/12/2010 08:45:55 PM 993 Views
They're not so annoying yet, now. - 09/12/2010 06:56:46 PM 1960 Views
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Anything else you'd like to say? *NM* - 08/12/2010 08:51:31 PM 1012 Views
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Characters: The Trio, the Malfoys, Dobby, a number of others. *NM* - 10/12/2010 09:12:30 PM 1052 Views
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On a side note about wands - 14/12/2010 06:05:13 PM 2102 Views
Yes, I've caught myself immaturely sniggering on occasion, too. - 14/12/2010 08:59:26 PM 2126 Views
Harry: - 19/12/2010 11:14:51 PM 2000 Views
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Re: Harry: - 20/12/2010 12:54:14 PM 2114 Views
Other comments or discoveries? *NM* - 10/12/2010 09:14:38 PM 1019 Views
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Plot, action, etc. *NM* - 13/12/2010 10:04:02 PM 1003 Views
red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle. - 14/12/2010 05:17:11 PM 1912 Views
The Gringotts book one reference fits into the pattern. - 14/12/2010 10:13:50 PM 2140 Views
Re: The Gringotts book one reference fits into the pattern. - 14/12/2010 10:27:35 PM 2186 Views
Re: red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle. - 20/12/2010 03:37:36 PM 2358 Views
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Other things. *NM* - 13/12/2010 10:04:23 PM 914 Views
Film stuff - 14/12/2010 05:17:18 PM 2003 Views
Excellent point. - 14/12/2010 10:05:01 PM 1985 Views
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Both, ideally. - 20/12/2010 09:43:06 AM 1935 Views
Sometimes Rowling's parallels are far too simplistic and unsophisticated. - 20/12/2010 03:39:50 PM 1997 Views
I had not made the goblin/Jews connection *NM* - 22/12/2010 09:31:59 AM 1024 Views
Seconded. - 26/12/2010 08:29:44 PM 2091 Views
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Various characters. - 20/12/2010 01:10:42 AM 2040 Views
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Yes - 26/12/2010 09:18:56 PM 2033 Views
Writing, action, plot, theme, yadda yadda yadda. *NM* - 16/12/2010 01:08:04 PM 1000 Views
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Other things. *NM* - 16/12/2010 01:08:25 PM 1026 Views
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Too many to mention, indeed. - 20/12/2010 09:30:54 AM 2298 Views
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Tying up the plot. - 20/12/2010 07:33:00 PM 1955 Views
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Epilogue: the future. - 20/12/2010 07:35:06 PM 2083 Views
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I'm the other way around - I mind it less this time. - 26/12/2010 09:52:21 PM 2100 Views

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