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No, it's him. Werthead Send a noteboard - 18/07/2011 12:25:33 AM
you think the three-eyed crow is Bloodraven, then? Somehow it seemed like he was far older than that.


He'd be about 130-140 years old, which is more than old enough. He's also called Brynden, and the Child of the Forest says, "He has a thousand eyes and one," which was Bloodraven's motto. He references the brother he loved (Daeron II, presumably) and the brother he hated (Bittersteel, or maybe Daemon II, but I think the one he failed to kill would be the one he hated more) and the woman he loved (Shiera Seastar). We know he became LC of the Night's Watch after being exiled to the Wall by Aegon V. So I think there's very little doubt it's him.
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A Dance with Dragons discussion thread Legolas - 11/07/2011 10:48:23 PM 6774 Views
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lol yep, definitely *NM* ironclad - 13/07/2011 08:12:42 AM 1263 Views
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No, it's him. Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:25:33 AM 2320 Views
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One or two, but not all that long ones *NM* ironclad - 13/07/2011 02:57:12 PM 1307 Views
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What made least sense for me as far as that is concerned... ironclad - 14/07/2011 11:51:20 AM 2347 Views
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I see ironclad - 15/07/2011 08:28:09 AM 2304 Views
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Something I totally missed first time through Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:40:33 AM 2658 Views
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Yep, that's what he said/thought A Deathwatch Guard - 17/07/2011 05:02:32 AM 2401 Views
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Well that brings new meaning Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:18 AM 2157 Views
I'm still not fully done, but about the Reek chapters... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 04:05:29 PM 2394 Views
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There's another... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 07:16:11 PM 2192 Views
There's that... Legolas - 17/07/2011 01:12:33 AM 2243 Views
It's worse than that... fionwe1987 - 17/07/2011 01:26:50 AM 2281 Views
Torture is wrong, and those chapters kinda proved it. *NM* Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:55 AM 1231 Views
GRRM completely shit the bed on Jon's arc within this book. That's the truth. Libby - 16/07/2011 12:51:08 AM 2444 Views
Having finished the book, my thoughts. (Spoilers) Variant - 16/07/2011 08:11:30 AM 2395 Views
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Personally, I felt 'A Feast for Crows' was not only better written but more condensed. Libby - 17/07/2011 11:15:58 AM 2402 Views
Summed up like that there is no way to disagree with what you said ironclad - 17/07/2011 11:33:01 AM 2378 Views
You put words to my thoughts exactly. Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:17:09 PM 2264 Views
It should be re-titled A Jump with Sharks Tom - 17/07/2011 06:00:37 PM 2479 Views
Publishers are more interested in the bottom line. Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:31:56 AM 2253 Views
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I felt bummed by Sanderson's new series. everynametaken - 18/07/2011 05:25:09 AM 2400 Views
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You might like this quote from House of Leaves by Mark Z Danielewski. heartbreak - 11/08/2011 03:42:05 PM 2495 Views
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Me too... but going and complaining about them seems so lame, too. Legolas - 19/07/2011 07:34:47 PM 2215 Views
I agree with Jens, good balanced review. *NM* Legolas - 19/07/2011 07:50:13 PM 1222 Views
I think you let him off too easily. Tom - 20/07/2011 04:19:07 AM 2351 Views
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Your review is a little too generous (in my opinion) Libby - 20/07/2011 06:57:45 AM 2543 Views
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The six bodies fired by the trebuchet Stephen - 20/07/2011 10:36:16 PM 2279 Views
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Probably pale mare victims. Seige warfare via plague Urza - 20/07/2011 11:23:10 PM 2267 Views
Yes, I considered that as well... Legolas - 20/07/2011 11:48:32 PM 2225 Views
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That could be it. *NM* Stephen - 21/07/2011 01:43:16 PM 1127 Views
It's not six bodies, it's six trebuchets throwing corpses instead of stones DomA - 27/07/2011 01:03:51 AM 2318 Views
That's how I read it as well. Six trebuchets opening up. *NM* Michael - 11/08/2011 12:19:09 PM 1193 Views
Stannis ironclad - 21/07/2011 08:43:40 AM 2238 Views
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I highly doubt he's dead A Deathwatch Guard - 21/07/2011 07:29:59 PM 2289 Views
The bluff makes the most sense: if the Boltons beat Stannis, why does he ask for Theon & Jeyne? Cannoli - 22/07/2011 12:01:30 AM 2333 Views
Yeah... Urza - 22/07/2011 12:27:53 AM 2204 Views
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The Aegon Twist. Something about this doesn't add up. Libby - 21/07/2011 10:43:43 PM 2401 Views
Re: The Aegon Twist. Something about this doesn't add up. Werthead - 22/07/2011 05:42:13 PM 2411 Views
Alternatively.. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:13:46 PM 2225 Views
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None of them. Werthead - 22/07/2011 06:25:19 PM 2191 Views
Is that personal opinion or based on something Martin said? *NM* Tom - 22/07/2011 06:37:57 PM 1223 Views
Opinion Werthead - 22/07/2011 07:43:16 PM 2237 Views
Regardless of whether or not they actually get involved, their existence (or not) is signficant. Tom - 23/07/2011 02:17:48 AM 2114 Views
I think there are some god's, just given different names. Same with the magic. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:24:51 PM 2210 Views
Lose the apostrophe in the subject line. Then: on what basis do you assume this? Tom - 23/07/2011 02:28:49 AM 2239 Views
You might want to stop wasting time correcting others typos. As for the gods... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 04:53:59 AM 2144 Views
You might want to stop making them. Particularly glaring ones like that. Tom - 23/07/2011 05:01:03 AM 2310 Views
A typo can't be "glaring"... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 08:08:51 AM 2206 Views
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Morality stems from god? A Deathwatch Guard - 22/07/2011 10:47:59 PM 2206 Views
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Perhaps... A Deathwatch Guard - 24/07/2011 07:03:24 PM 2218 Views
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Bullshit. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:44:41 AM 2158 Views
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The Seven probably has more power and influence than any other religion though. Werthead - 25/07/2011 07:51:59 PM 2102 Views
In Westeros, but I always got the feeling the Free Cities and other places didn't much care for them A Deathwatch Guard - 26/07/2011 10:53:45 PM 2230 Views
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Some thoughts... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 04:54:05 AM 2226 Views
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Its not that simple... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 06:21:39 AM 2260 Views
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Well... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 05:02:45 PM 2188 Views
How then do you deal with the Euthyphro dilemma? Tim - 16/08/2011 01:43:18 PM 2046 Views
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Whats the best new POV Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:14:05 AM 2236 Views
Barristan Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:23:20 PM 2186 Views
Didn't Aeron "Damphair" Greyjoy also only have 2 POVs Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:56:57 PM 2298 Views
Agreed. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:33:11 PM 1270 Views
thirded. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:16:26 PM 2084 Views
Absolutely *NM* ironclad - 29/07/2011 02:31:54 AM 1343 Views
Things you missed till they were pointed out via others or via a reread Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:23:53 AM 2390 Views
A bit. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:32:32 PM 2342 Views
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Martin doesn't have to do anything Roland00 - 27/07/2011 01:33:36 AM 2305 Views
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The crone who prophesied the stallion who mounts the world saw the stallions face Roland00 - 27/07/2011 05:13:28 AM 2353 Views
Re: Martin doesn't have to do anything aragornital - 27/07/2011 08:58:55 AM 2096 Views
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I like your theory. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:35:22 PM 2337 Views
Interesting... hadn't noticed some of those either. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:32:18 PM 2294 Views
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Eh? Elaine - 29/07/2011 04:44:17 PM 2308 Views
This is complicated. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:43:15 PM 2541 Views
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Yup. Werthead - 02/08/2011 12:03:26 AM 2133 Views
Also... fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:17:43 AM 2212 Views
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I've read this scene yesterday and I missed this... aragornital - 02/08/2011 07:55:35 AM 2241 Views
Allow me Elaine - 05/08/2011 02:14:15 PM 2117 Views
thanks *NM* aragornital - 07/08/2011 07:28:21 AM 1201 Views
I thought this was pretty clear HousealThor - 07/08/2011 05:18:54 PM 2122 Views
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Interesting idea. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:25:11 PM 2305 Views
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Re: A Dance with Dragons discussion thread jwk - 29/07/2011 01:42:57 AM 2423 Views
Okay. I suck. jwk - 29/07/2011 01:50:56 AM 2181 Views
Let me rephrase that... jwk - 29/07/2011 01:54:07 AM 2172 Views
Jon Snow is definitely Azor Ahai. Kotagg - 29/07/2011 07:31:17 PM 2755 Views
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you are correct Jim - 31/07/2011 11:08:39 PM 2252 Views
Yup. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:49:34 PM 2116 Views
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I'm uncertain about that Larry - 01/08/2011 05:35:18 AM 2217 Views
True, but I wouldn't read too much into that. Werthead - 01/08/2011 11:42:29 PM 2503 Views
Where did he say that? fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:18:39 AM 2357 Views
In interviews Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:21:28 PM 2315 Views
A little thought about Jon... aragornital - 02/08/2011 08:02:34 AM 2381 Views
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Jon? Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:59:03 PM 2212 Views
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