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Ohh, so that was what that was about. Legolas Send a noteboard - 17/07/2011 07:08:19 PM
Comedy fat guy turns psychotic Frey-eating cannibal. That's revenge for the Red Wedding and he's only just getting started. Force-feeding the Freys their own relatives in secret was amusing, but when you realised he was munching them down himself, that was both sick and badass.

There was obviously something going on there, but I was thinking he was just poisoning the lot of them - himself included. So I was rather disappointed when they kept living. I'd have to reread the chapter to check your theory for myself, but it makes sense enough.
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A Dance with Dragons discussion thread Legolas - 11/07/2011 10:48:23 PM 6750 Views
Okay, first impressions. Basically spoiler-free, I suppose. ironclad - 11/07/2011 11:40:31 PM 2300 Views
I have it! *NM* fionwe1987 - 12/07/2011 05:42:27 AM 1256 Views
A general question to get the discussion started: will two more books be enough? RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 02:22:52 PM 2490 Views
A very good question *major spoilers, then* ironclad - 12/07/2011 02:55:05 PM 2464 Views
Oh, come on. If anyone can do it, Martin can. Tom - 15/07/2011 03:48:27 AM 2170 Views
It'll be tight. Werthead - 12/07/2011 04:32:39 PM 2498 Views
What does "resurrection-as-PWWP Jon" mean? Got it - Prince Who Was Promised! Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 08:59:44 PM 2384 Views
No but I think 3 will be possible Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:15:02 AM 2265 Views
what is Purple Wedding? *NM* aragornital - 27/07/2011 08:37:04 AM 1129 Views
Joffrey and Margaery wedding Roland00 - 27/07/2011 04:26:04 PM 2302 Views
Hero of the book? Werthead - 12/07/2011 10:12:02 PM 2599 Views
Lord Manderly gets my vote. RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 10:41:19 PM 2381 Views
Re: Hero of the book? ironclad - 12/07/2011 10:43:20 PM 2278 Views
Re: Hero of the book? ClubCaved - 12/07/2011 11:50:29 PM 2272 Views
Ohh, so that was what that was about. Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:08:19 PM 2338 Views
That's what I thought too. Jessie - 25/07/2011 01:48:50 AM 2285 Views
Victorian Greyjoy = Hero of the book *NM* Urza - 21/07/2011 06:20:25 AM 1317 Views
Barristan should be renamed as Ser Grandfather, you do not mess with Ser Grandfather *NM* Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:32:09 AM 1315 Views
Asshole of the book? ironclad - 12/07/2011 10:46:10 PM 2751 Views
Agreed. Werthead - 12/07/2011 11:18:07 PM 2427 Views
Seconded. He'd probably make my short list of Assholes of the Series to date. *NM* RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 11:25:04 PM 1199 Views
Yeah, little doubt there. Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:09:53 PM 2287 Views
Seriously... Urza - 18/07/2011 03:07:47 AM 2257 Views
Daenerys Targaryen & lifetime achievement award to Lord Rickard Stark Cannoli - 17/08/2011 12:38:40 AM 2205 Views
Idiot of the book. Werthead - 12/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 2502 Views
lol yep, definitely *NM* ironclad - 13/07/2011 08:12:42 AM 1244 Views
Re: Idiot of the book. Zaphod - 17/07/2011 12:42:20 AM 2376 Views
I think readers are being too hard on Quentyn, If anything I think Doran derserves more mocking. Libby - 17/07/2011 01:09:35 AM 2661 Views
Wait... no she doesn't! fionwe1987 - 17/07/2011 01:29:52 AM 2254 Views
She thinks both Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:22:59 AM 2199 Views
So... Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:18:24 PM 2243 Views
No, it's him. Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:25:33 AM 2295 Views
Is there any hot sex scenes? I won't be able to read it for a while *NM* Dark Knight - 13/07/2011 02:35:49 PM 1327 Views
One or two, but not all that long ones *NM* ironclad - 13/07/2011 02:57:12 PM 1293 Views
Great Ending ClubCaved - 14/07/2011 01:21:53 AM 2499 Views
Really? ironclad - 14/07/2011 09:36:01 AM 2431 Views
Re: Really? Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:38:34 AM 2087 Views
Re: Great Ending samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:05:00 AM 2240 Views
YES! Larry - 14/07/2011 02:38:48 AM 2058 Views
Sorry for the n00b reply, sentiments still apply Stephen - 16/07/2011 07:27:43 PM 2228 Views
Re: Sorry for the n00b reply, sentiments still apply Zaphod - 17/07/2011 12:45:52 AM 2207 Views
I don't know what to think... (spoiler) aragornital - 14/07/2011 08:59:39 AM 2443 Views
Probably not. Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:19:03 AM 2402 Views
Re: Probably not. aragornital - 14/07/2011 03:57:55 PM 2258 Views
I think the two are mixed up. Werthead - 14/07/2011 11:23:06 PM 2327 Views
Re: I think the two are mixed up. samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:10:29 AM 2158 Views
What made least sense for me as far as that is concerned... ironclad - 14/07/2011 11:51:20 AM 2318 Views
They didn't. Werthead - 14/07/2011 11:24:53 PM 2359 Views
I see ironclad - 15/07/2011 08:28:09 AM 2272 Views
Didn't Jon just announced Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:51:07 AM 2199 Views
Something I totally missed first time through Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:40:33 AM 2632 Views
Re: Something I totally missed first time through Cannoli - 16/07/2011 01:24:23 AM 2529 Views
Yep, that's what he said/thought A Deathwatch Guard - 17/07/2011 05:02:32 AM 2374 Views
Re: Something I totally missed first time through Jessie - 23/07/2011 04:14:38 PM 2164 Views
Well that brings new meaning Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:18 AM 2128 Views
I'm still not fully done, but about the Reek chapters... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 04:05:29 PM 2367 Views
Agreed ironclad - 14/07/2011 06:18:15 PM 2357 Views
There's another... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 07:16:11 PM 2162 Views
There's that... Legolas - 17/07/2011 01:12:33 AM 2216 Views
It's worse than that... fionwe1987 - 17/07/2011 01:26:50 AM 2254 Views
Torture is wrong, and those chapters kinda proved it. *NM* Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:55 AM 1217 Views
GRRM completely shit the bed on Jon's arc within this book. That's the truth. Libby - 16/07/2011 12:51:08 AM 2419 Views
Having finished the book, my thoughts. (Spoilers) Variant - 16/07/2011 08:11:30 AM 2357 Views
Re: Having finished the book, my thoughts. (Spoilers) Zaphod - 17/07/2011 01:02:10 AM 2273 Views
Personally, I felt 'A Feast for Crows' was not only better written but more condensed. Libby - 17/07/2011 11:15:58 AM 2370 Views
Summed up like that there is no way to disagree with what you said ironclad - 17/07/2011 11:33:01 AM 2346 Views
You put words to my thoughts exactly. Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:17:09 PM 2237 Views
It should be re-titled A Jump with Sharks Tom - 17/07/2011 06:00:37 PM 2450 Views
Publishers are more interested in the bottom line. Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:31:56 AM 2221 Views
Sadly, I am likely overestimating the intelligence of the readers. Tom - 18/07/2011 03:05:12 AM 2459 Views
I felt bummed by Sanderson's new series. everynametaken - 18/07/2011 05:25:09 AM 2367 Views
I bought that book but have yet to read it. Tom - 18/07/2011 01:09:15 PM 2169 Views
Re: I bought that book but have yet to read it. Zach - 20/07/2011 06:45:46 AM 2220 Views
You might like this quote from House of Leaves by Mark Z Danielewski. heartbreak - 11/08/2011 03:42:05 PM 2454 Views
I'm afraid I have to agree with what seems to be the majority opinion... Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:35:47 PM 2326 Views
And on a different note entirely: is it me, or did the book need more proofreading? Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:39:15 PM 2227 Views
Re: And on a different note entirely: is it me, or did the book need more proofreading? samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:17:41 AM 2407 Views
Yeah, I agree. Stephen - 18/07/2011 05:59:58 PM 2266 Views
The book really shows it is AFFC part 2 Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:00:07 AM 2258 Views
No doubt, much like readers would've been more forgiving of aFfC if it'd been two years after SoS. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:28:43 PM 2283 Views
Am I The Only One In Love With Arya's Chapters? *spoilers maybe* samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:22:00 AM 2271 Views
I enjoyed them, very solid chapters. Libby - 18/07/2011 12:50:43 PM 2393 Views
Unlike others, I won't start a separate thread to express my thoughts Larry - 19/07/2011 11:21:17 AM 2437 Views
Yeah, I wished there was a way to move them in here! ironclad - 19/07/2011 01:42:51 PM 2203 Views
Me too... but going and complaining about them seems so lame, too. Legolas - 19/07/2011 07:34:47 PM 2187 Views
I agree with Jens, good balanced review. *NM* Legolas - 19/07/2011 07:50:13 PM 1207 Views
I think you let him off too easily. Tom - 20/07/2011 04:19:07 AM 2316 Views
It might be that I expected even more of a longeur than what happened Larry - 20/07/2011 05:24:50 PM 2277 Views
Your review is a little too generous (in my opinion) Libby - 20/07/2011 06:57:45 AM 2510 Views
I find myself both depressed and let down... Zach - 20/07/2011 06:37:16 AM 2633 Views
Am I the only one who really likes... ironclad - 20/07/2011 06:04:00 PM 2409 Views
yeh, he is nice... *NM* aragornital - 20/07/2011 06:20:13 PM 1203 Views
Davos is probably my favourite Stephen - 20/07/2011 09:51:03 PM 2087 Views
I have to disagree in regards to Penny, she's a plot device and an annoying one at that. Variant - 21/07/2011 01:15:33 AM 2384 Views
Re: I have to disagree in regards to Penny, she's a plot device and an annoying one at that. Timthetrolloc - 21/07/2011 09:33:00 AM 2239 Views
The six bodies fired by the trebuchet Stephen - 20/07/2011 10:36:16 PM 2253 Views
Yes, I was confused by that too. Legolas - 20/07/2011 10:53:35 PM 2216 Views
Probably pale mare victims. Seige warfare via plague Urza - 20/07/2011 11:23:10 PM 2237 Views
Yes, I considered that as well... Legolas - 20/07/2011 11:48:32 PM 2201 Views
Have Quentyn's two mates already been sent off a this point? ironclad - 21/07/2011 02:03:15 PM 2277 Views
That could be it. *NM* Stephen - 21/07/2011 01:43:16 PM 1113 Views
It's not six bodies, it's six trebuchets throwing corpses instead of stones DomA - 27/07/2011 01:03:51 AM 2288 Views
That's how I read it as well. Six trebuchets opening up. *NM* Michael - 11/08/2011 12:19:09 PM 1176 Views
Stannis ironclad - 21/07/2011 08:43:40 AM 2214 Views
It's entirely possible Stannis was killed Tom - 21/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 2274 Views
I highly doubt he's dead A Deathwatch Guard - 21/07/2011 07:29:59 PM 2259 Views
The bluff makes the most sense: if the Boltons beat Stannis, why does he ask for Theon & Jeyne? Cannoli - 22/07/2011 12:01:30 AM 2305 Views
Yeah... Urza - 22/07/2011 12:27:53 AM 2180 Views
The letter sounded like the ravings of a psychopath loosing control DomA - 27/07/2011 02:56:21 AM 2355 Views
The Aegon Twist. Something about this doesn't add up. Libby - 21/07/2011 10:43:43 PM 2371 Views
Re: The Aegon Twist. Something about this doesn't add up. Werthead - 22/07/2011 05:42:13 PM 2376 Views
Alternatively.. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:13:46 PM 2202 Views
Which gods do you think are "real" in Martin's world? Tom - 22/07/2011 04:32:39 PM 2269 Views
None of them. Werthead - 22/07/2011 06:25:19 PM 2163 Views
Is that personal opinion or based on something Martin said? *NM* Tom - 22/07/2011 06:37:57 PM 1208 Views
Opinion Werthead - 22/07/2011 07:43:16 PM 2201 Views
Regardless of whether or not they actually get involved, their existence (or not) is signficant. Tom - 23/07/2011 02:17:48 AM 2088 Views
I think there are some god's, just given different names. Same with the magic. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:24:51 PM 2182 Views
Lose the apostrophe in the subject line. Then: on what basis do you assume this? Tom - 23/07/2011 02:28:49 AM 2216 Views
You might want to stop wasting time correcting others typos. As for the gods... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 04:53:59 AM 2117 Views
You might want to stop making them. Particularly glaring ones like that. Tom - 23/07/2011 05:01:03 AM 2284 Views
A typo can't be "glaring"... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 08:08:51 AM 2176 Views
Sure it can. Glaring: conspicuous or obvious. Tom - 23/07/2011 03:52:57 PM 2180 Views
Morality stems from god? A Deathwatch Guard - 22/07/2011 10:47:59 PM 2176 Views
Of course it does Tom - 23/07/2011 02:26:50 AM 2157 Views
On second thought, let's address the issue directly. Tom - 23/07/2011 05:14:59 AM 2286 Views
Perhaps... A Deathwatch Guard - 24/07/2011 07:03:24 PM 2190 Views
Its simple... Urza - 24/07/2011 07:37:11 PM 2194 Views
I disagree... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 04:10:04 AM 2258 Views
Bullshit. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:44:41 AM 2134 Views
Re: Bullshit. fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 06:27:09 AM 2042 Views
The Seven probably has more power and influence than any other religion though. Werthead - 25/07/2011 07:51:59 PM 2074 Views
In Westeros, but I always got the feeling the Free Cities and other places didn't much care for them A Deathwatch Guard - 26/07/2011 10:53:45 PM 2207 Views
Westeros is the biggest coherent civilisation in the ASoIaF world. Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:56:21 AM 2245 Views
Some thoughts... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 04:54:05 AM 2198 Views
It's not an objective morality. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:41:33 AM 2146 Views
Its not that simple... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 06:21:39 AM 2226 Views
I don't disagree with most of what you said. I just reach a different conclusion. Tom - 25/07/2011 01:57:31 PM 2127 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 05:02:45 PM 2154 Views
How then do you deal with the Euthyphro dilemma? Tim - 16/08/2011 01:43:18 PM 2019 Views
Re: Which gods do you think are "real" in Martin's world? aragornital - 25/07/2011 02:24:07 PM 2092 Views
Whats the best new POV Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:14:05 AM 2209 Views
Barristan Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:23:20 PM 2164 Views
Didn't Aeron "Damphair" Greyjoy also only have 2 POVs Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:56:57 PM 2275 Views
Agreed. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:33:11 PM 1253 Views
thirded. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:16:26 PM 2059 Views
Absolutely *NM* ironclad - 29/07/2011 02:31:54 AM 1326 Views
Things you missed till they were pointed out via others or via a reread Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:23:53 AM 2366 Views
A bit. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:32:32 PM 2319 Views
Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:46:54 PM 2247 Views
Re: Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:43:43 AM 2248 Views
Martin doesn't have to do anything Roland00 - 27/07/2011 01:33:36 AM 2278 Views
Re: Martin doesn't have to do anything DomA - 27/07/2011 04:38:19 AM 2143 Views
The crone who prophesied the stallion who mounts the world saw the stallions face Roland00 - 27/07/2011 05:13:28 AM 2320 Views
Re: Martin doesn't have to do anything aragornital - 27/07/2011 08:58:55 AM 2071 Views
Re: DomA - 27/07/2011 04:27:18 AM 2289 Views
I like your theory. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:35:22 PM 2306 Views
Interesting... hadn't noticed some of those either. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:32:18 PM 2271 Views
Re: Interesting... hadn't noticed some of those either. Roland00 - 27/07/2011 02:00:42 AM 2138 Views
Eh? Elaine - 29/07/2011 04:44:17 PM 2283 Views
This is complicated. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:43:15 PM 2514 Views
Wait...a woman crowned for beauty was the victorious mystery knight? Tom - 01/08/2011 03:00:49 AM 2170 Views
It is believed the Knight of the Laughing Tree is one of two people Roland00 - 01/08/2011 04:47:21 AM 2273 Views
Yup. Werthead - 02/08/2011 12:03:26 AM 2109 Views
Also... fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:17:43 AM 2185 Views
And yet, my huge brain figures it out Elaine - 04/08/2011 04:20:06 PM 2207 Views
I've read this scene yesterday and I missed this... aragornital - 02/08/2011 07:55:35 AM 2210 Views
Allow me Elaine - 05/08/2011 02:14:15 PM 2083 Views
thanks *NM* aragornital - 07/08/2011 07:28:21 AM 1188 Views
I thought this was pretty clear HousealThor - 07/08/2011 05:18:54 PM 2095 Views
Hizdahr a Harpy? Innocent or Not? Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:36:56 AM 2505 Views
Interesting idea. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:25:11 PM 2276 Views
Re: Interesting idea. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:25:02 PM 2210 Views
What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? Roland00 - 26/07/2011 04:13:27 PM 2221 Views
Re: What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:49:52 AM 2415 Views
Re: What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? DomA - 27/07/2011 03:49:18 AM 2370 Views
Re: A Dance with Dragons discussion thread jwk - 29/07/2011 01:42:57 AM 2394 Views
Okay. I suck. jwk - 29/07/2011 01:50:56 AM 2159 Views
Let me rephrase that... jwk - 29/07/2011 01:54:07 AM 2148 Views
Jon Snow is definitely Azor Ahai. Kotagg - 29/07/2011 07:31:17 PM 2728 Views
Hmm ironclad - 31/07/2011 01:52:03 PM 2622 Views
you are correct Jim - 31/07/2011 11:08:39 PM 2224 Views
Yup. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:49:34 PM 2082 Views
But Shireen is a dragon... fionwe1987 - 01/08/2011 12:22:16 AM 2216 Views
I'm uncertain about that Larry - 01/08/2011 05:35:18 AM 2193 Views
True, but I wouldn't read too much into that. Werthead - 01/08/2011 11:42:29 PM 2476 Views
Where did he say that? fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:18:39 AM 2328 Views
In interviews Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:21:28 PM 2290 Views
A little thought about Jon... aragornital - 02/08/2011 08:02:34 AM 2354 Views
Excellent point. Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:22:22 PM 2290 Views
Am I the only one who thinks... The Doctor - 09/08/2011 05:16:46 PM 2307 Views
I think Martin's gonna stick to Bran being the only one who does that ironclad - 10/08/2011 09:25:12 AM 2387 Views
It's possible, the problem is Jon's warging skill isn't all that well developed. Libby - 10/08/2011 10:53:32 PM 2183 Views
Anyone have any thoughts as to the purpose of Arya's storyline? Chas - 14/08/2011 06:28:09 PM 2224 Views
She's being trained as an assassin, so the question is who is she going to kill? Werthead - 16/08/2011 01:43:12 AM 2150 Views
Jon? Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:59:03 PM 2187 Views
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