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Currently kicking myself Camilla Send a noteboard - 15/08/2012 06:43:36 AM
I had my doubts on that score in the original text, but took it out because it got chunky. Damnit.

3. Plot: It seems blatantly obvious to me at this point (indeed, it seemed obvious quite early in the book) that Jon Snow is the son of Ned Stark's sister Lyanna and Rhaegar Targaryen. I assume he raped her (the only possible justification for the rape theme that pervades the series) and that she made her brother swear to keep the child's parentage secret so that Robert would not kill it. I have heard Jon Snow's parentage presented as one of the great mysteries of the series. This depresses me.

It's not meant as a mystery, as it's pretty obvious. But I think you must have missed something. All indications are that Rhaegar and Lyanna were in love. I believe in this book Ned remembers her telling him that Robert would never be a good husband. So she most definitely was not interested in Robert. To be fair, there are more clues in later books about the relationship between Lyanna and Rhaegar.


I did consider that the almost exclusive rape indications could be a ruse. Especially when someone stated flat out that that was what had happened (Robert, I think?). But since all I had to go on was my paranoia, I thought I might be taking it a little far.

I am glad that what I had heard about Jon Snow's parentage being a great mystery is not true.
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Fascinating. Legolas - 13/08/2012 11:40:22 PM 2603 Views
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Mainly the names. Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:07:21 AM 2330 Views
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On the Rape issue.... djwilson300 - 14/08/2012 01:19:35 AM 2439 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... dacole - 14/08/2012 02:02:42 AM 2309 Views
Firstly, Camilla is a she. Secondly, though I won't speak for her, regarding the rape in the novels, Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 02:23:19 AM 2466 Views
When does he use rape in an erotic manner? A Deathwatch Guard - 14/08/2012 05:48:59 AM 2316 Views
like all the time. Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:45:42 PM 2431 Views
Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:18:58 AM 2372 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. dacole - 14/08/2012 04:37:17 PM 2368 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:39:31 AM 2583 Views
I for one never saw any of the rapes as erotic imlad - 21/08/2012 05:04:11 PM 2613 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:17:55 AM 2311 Views
How is that a violent rape? At worst it would be statutory rape. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:53:44 AM 2393 Views
The wedding night is statutory. I would describe the later rapes as fairly violent. Camilla - 17/08/2012 12:13:26 PM 2541 Views
That was her only sex scene, until she induces him to have outdoor sex to get pregnant Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:20:09 PM 2413 Views
It is not necessary to provide a scene Camilla - 17/08/2012 10:49:20 PM 2435 Views
I believe that what is happening here is called confirmation bias *NM* Kotagg - 21/08/2012 06:23:38 PM 1312 Views
House Banners/Sigils imlad - 21/08/2012 04:56:07 PM 2386 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin dacole - 14/08/2012 02:08:59 AM 2253 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:25:11 AM 2377 Views
I think you misread one part Dark Knight - 14/08/2012 04:51:34 PM 2518 Views
I think that the Rhaegar and Lyanna stuff does look like rape in the first book Stephen - 14/08/2012 08:10:27 PM 2316 Views
"Looks like" is this case meaning "explicitly stated to be that way"? Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:56:48 AM 2271 Views
Currently kicking myself Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:43:36 AM 2647 Views
Re: Currently kicking myself Stephen - 16/08/2012 10:11:01 AM 2348 Views
what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... temeraire - 15/08/2012 01:21:38 AM 2275 Views
Re: what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... Camilla - 15/08/2012 07:39:24 AM 2620 Views
philippa gregory co-authored a book "the women of the cousins' war" - it was very interesting temeraire - 16/08/2012 07:54:50 PM 2350 Views
Wait...why would you waste time reading this fluff series when it's out on TV? Tom - 16/08/2012 12:10:32 AM 2424 Views
Trollolololololololllll *NM* Kotagg - 16/08/2012 01:02:22 AM 1180 Views
Se noteboard. *NM* Camilla - 16/08/2012 06:29:39 AM 1220 Views
Game, set, and match *NM* Praziquantel - 18/08/2012 03:50:38 PM 1174 Views
I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... lord-of-shadow - 16/08/2012 11:52:40 PM 2225 Views
Re: I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:33:24 AM 2511 Views
I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:20:16 AM 2437 Views
Re: I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:40:12 AM 2442 Views
I think it messed it up by showing forced intercourse without the verbal consent Drogo DID obtain Cannoli - 17/08/2012 12:07:14 PM 2386 Views
I still find it difficult to read it as anything other than a coerced consent Stephen - 17/08/2012 01:08:15 PM 2230 Views
A perpetrator-less crime then. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:26:26 PM 2363 Views
Exactly! I'm on board, Cannoli. Kotagg - 18/08/2012 07:45:56 PM 2219 Views
You are missing the point. Camilla - 18/08/2012 11:11:33 PM 2463 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Werthead - 19/08/2012 01:25:30 PM 2396 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Camilla - 19/08/2012 01:40:11 PM 2480 Views
So, you're saying that Juliet was raped by Romeo??? imlad - 21/08/2012 05:24:56 PM 2418 Views
The later books do add more context and change some of this snoopcester - 19/08/2012 12:08:49 AM 2276 Views
Re: The later books do add more context and change some of this Camilla - 19/08/2012 07:27:59 AM 2420 Views
That makes sense snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:35:36 PM 2046 Views
Jesus Christ another fucking thread about rape and fantasy. Dan - 19/08/2012 01:47:43 AM 1423 Views
Perhaps if reading other people's views makes you so angry, you should avoid reading them? *NM* snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:37:03 PM 1251 Views
High blood pressure can kill, I hear. *NM* Camilla - 19/08/2012 03:33:14 PM 1318 Views
Nonsense. nossy - 19/08/2012 03:33:39 PM 1207 Views
Fixed it for you. Dan - 19/08/2012 08:22:18 PM 1310 Views
Oh, but that takes us back to snoop being right, and I'm sorry, but I just cannot abide that. nossy - 19/08/2012 10:56:10 PM 1238 Views
Shake the sand out of your vagina bitch. *NM* everynametaken - 20/08/2012 06:35:32 AM 1207 Views
Gosh, this is really turning into something fun. nossy - 20/08/2012 07:15:01 AM 1364 Views
Here I was about to make a "whee misogyny" post. I never get to have fun. *NM* Ghavrel - 20/08/2012 09:09:04 AM 1084 Views
Huh. I just came to the odd realization... Legolas - 20/08/2012 08:29:56 PM 1305 Views
Don't lock it! Dan - 21/08/2012 05:11:34 AM 1266 Views
Yes, I'm aware, or I might have locked it already. Legolas - 21/08/2012 06:17:29 PM 1139 Views
I'd ask that you do lock it. Stephen - 21/08/2012 10:00:48 PM 1208 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2012 06:26:04 PM 1129 Views
I may join you Camilla - 20/08/2012 10:14:50 PM 1296 Views
COME AT ME BRO *NM* Dan - 21/08/2012 05:09:34 AM 1157 Views
The interesting part is... ? - 28/08/2012 01:39:49 AM 2204 Views
That is the best written and most insightful review of that book I have read random thoughts - 01/09/2012 05:38:00 PM 2287 Views
I forgot that I was supposed to read all threads to watch out for Bad Behaviour. Rebekah - 01/09/2012 11:09:52 PM 2504 Views
i'm rereading the series now and yeah there is a LOT of rape Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:38:27 PM 2884 Views
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