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Re: The later books do add more context and change some of this Camilla Send a noteboard - 19/08/2012 07:27:59 AM
For me it doesn't add that much to it though.

Finally, history. I can see the allusions to the War of Roses, though not as much as I had expected. There certainly does not seem to be any clear overlap between the two. I imagine the main overlap will be the reconciliation of two warring factions through a figure who takes part in both. Say, Jon Snow.

It seemed quite strong to me, like the starting point for Martin was reading a history book about the War of the Roses then reworking it. It is jumbled up but there are characters through the story who just feel to me like they are lifted from it, though reworked or moved in context.


Yes. I think my problem is that when someone says "based on War of Roses", I look for that in the plot, where it is not.
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A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 13/08/2012 10:48:37 PM 15301 Views
Fascinating. Legolas - 13/08/2012 11:40:22 PM 2677 Views
Re: Fascinating. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:23:13 AM 2483 Views
Mainly the names. Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:07:21 AM 2391 Views
Regarding Daenerys as Henry Tudor Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:36:37 AM 2545 Views
Not really. Legolas - 14/08/2012 07:01:36 PM 2673 Views
Shocking Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:49:18 AM 2631 Views
On the Rape issue.... djwilson300 - 14/08/2012 01:19:35 AM 2516 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... dacole - 14/08/2012 02:02:42 AM 2384 Views
Firstly, Camilla is a she. Secondly, though I won't speak for her, regarding the rape in the novels, Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 02:23:19 AM 2541 Views
When does he use rape in an erotic manner? A Deathwatch Guard - 14/08/2012 05:48:59 AM 2388 Views
like all the time. Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:45:42 PM 2501 Views
Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:18:58 AM 2436 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. dacole - 14/08/2012 04:37:17 PM 2443 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:39:31 AM 2660 Views
I for one never saw any of the rapes as erotic imlad - 21/08/2012 05:04:11 PM 2682 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:17:55 AM 2384 Views
How is that a violent rape? At worst it would be statutory rape. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:53:44 AM 2467 Views
The wedding night is statutory. I would describe the later rapes as fairly violent. Camilla - 17/08/2012 12:13:26 PM 2609 Views
That was her only sex scene, until she induces him to have outdoor sex to get pregnant Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:20:09 PM 2482 Views
It is not necessary to provide a scene Camilla - 17/08/2012 10:49:20 PM 2507 Views
I believe that what is happening here is called confirmation bias *NM* Kotagg - 21/08/2012 06:23:38 PM 1350 Views
House Banners/Sigils imlad - 21/08/2012 04:56:07 PM 2454 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin dacole - 14/08/2012 02:08:59 AM 2329 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:25:11 AM 2453 Views
I think you misread one part Dark Knight - 14/08/2012 04:51:34 PM 2589 Views
I think that the Rhaegar and Lyanna stuff does look like rape in the first book Stephen - 14/08/2012 08:10:27 PM 2387 Views
"Looks like" is this case meaning "explicitly stated to be that way"? Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:56:48 AM 2336 Views
Currently kicking myself Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:43:36 AM 2708 Views
Re: Currently kicking myself Stephen - 16/08/2012 10:11:01 AM 2417 Views
what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... temeraire - 15/08/2012 01:21:38 AM 2337 Views
Re: what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... Camilla - 15/08/2012 07:39:24 AM 2686 Views
philippa gregory co-authored a book "the women of the cousins' war" - it was very interesting temeraire - 16/08/2012 07:54:50 PM 2414 Views
Wait...why would you waste time reading this fluff series when it's out on TV? Tom - 16/08/2012 12:10:32 AM 2493 Views
Trollolololololololllll *NM* Kotagg - 16/08/2012 01:02:22 AM 1225 Views
Se noteboard. *NM* Camilla - 16/08/2012 06:29:39 AM 1256 Views
Game, set, and match *NM* Praziquantel - 18/08/2012 03:50:38 PM 1212 Views
I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... lord-of-shadow - 16/08/2012 11:52:40 PM 2300 Views
Re: I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:33:24 AM 2575 Views
I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:20:16 AM 2505 Views
Re: I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:40:12 AM 2514 Views
I think it messed it up by showing forced intercourse without the verbal consent Drogo DID obtain Cannoli - 17/08/2012 12:07:14 PM 2458 Views
I still find it difficult to read it as anything other than a coerced consent Stephen - 17/08/2012 01:08:15 PM 2302 Views
A perpetrator-less crime then. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:26:26 PM 2442 Views
Exactly! I'm on board, Cannoli. Kotagg - 18/08/2012 07:45:56 PM 2290 Views
You are missing the point. Camilla - 18/08/2012 11:11:33 PM 2540 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Werthead - 19/08/2012 01:25:30 PM 2475 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Camilla - 19/08/2012 01:40:11 PM 2559 Views
So, you're saying that Juliet was raped by Romeo??? imlad - 21/08/2012 05:24:56 PM 2491 Views
The later books do add more context and change some of this snoopcester - 19/08/2012 12:08:49 AM 2358 Views
Re: The later books do add more context and change some of this Camilla - 19/08/2012 07:27:59 AM 2485 Views
That makes sense snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:35:36 PM 2115 Views
Jesus Christ another fucking thread about rape and fantasy. Dan - 19/08/2012 01:47:43 AM 1466 Views
Perhaps if reading other people's views makes you so angry, you should avoid reading them? *NM* snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:37:03 PM 1287 Views
High blood pressure can kill, I hear. *NM* Camilla - 19/08/2012 03:33:14 PM 1355 Views
Nonsense. nossy - 19/08/2012 03:33:39 PM 1241 Views
Fixed it for you. Dan - 19/08/2012 08:22:18 PM 1345 Views
Oh, but that takes us back to snoop being right, and I'm sorry, but I just cannot abide that. nossy - 19/08/2012 10:56:10 PM 1280 Views
Shake the sand out of your vagina bitch. *NM* everynametaken - 20/08/2012 06:35:32 AM 1243 Views
Gosh, this is really turning into something fun. nossy - 20/08/2012 07:15:01 AM 1395 Views
Here I was about to make a "whee misogyny" post. I never get to have fun. *NM* Ghavrel - 20/08/2012 09:09:04 AM 1115 Views
Huh. I just came to the odd realization... Legolas - 20/08/2012 08:29:56 PM 1339 Views
Don't lock it! Dan - 21/08/2012 05:11:34 AM 1303 Views
Yes, I'm aware, or I might have locked it already. Legolas - 21/08/2012 06:17:29 PM 1187 Views
I'd ask that you do lock it. Stephen - 21/08/2012 10:00:48 PM 1259 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2012 06:26:04 PM 1166 Views
I may join you Camilla - 20/08/2012 10:14:50 PM 1330 Views
COME AT ME BRO *NM* Dan - 21/08/2012 05:09:34 AM 1199 Views
The interesting part is... ? - 28/08/2012 01:39:49 AM 2276 Views
That is the best written and most insightful review of that book I have read random thoughts - 01/09/2012 05:38:00 PM 2340 Views
I forgot that I was supposed to read all threads to watch out for Bad Behaviour. Rebekah - 01/09/2012 11:09:52 PM 2581 Views
i'm rereading the series now and yeah there is a LOT of rape Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:38:27 PM 2954 Views
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