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Re: The later books do add more context and change some of this Camilla Send a noteboard - 19/08/2012 07:27:59 AM
For me it doesn't add that much to it though.

Finally, history. I can see the allusions to the War of Roses, though not as much as I had expected. There certainly does not seem to be any clear overlap between the two. I imagine the main overlap will be the reconciliation of two warring factions through a figure who takes part in both. Say, Jon Snow.

It seemed quite strong to me, like the starting point for Martin was reading a history book about the War of the Roses then reworking it. It is jumbled up but there are characters through the story who just feel to me like they are lifted from it, though reworked or moved in context.


Yes. I think my problem is that when someone says "based on War of Roses", I look for that in the plot, where it is not.
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A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 13/08/2012 10:48:37 PM 20572 Views
Fascinating. Legolas - 13/08/2012 11:40:22 PM 2818 Views
Re: Fascinating. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:23:13 AM 2603 Views
Mainly the names. Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:07:21 AM 2529 Views
Regarding Daenerys as Henry Tudor Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:36:37 AM 2695 Views
Not really. Legolas - 14/08/2012 07:01:36 PM 2785 Views
Shocking Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:49:18 AM 2739 Views
On the Rape issue.... djwilson300 - 14/08/2012 01:19:35 AM 2649 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... dacole - 14/08/2012 02:02:42 AM 2497 Views
Firstly, Camilla is a she. Secondly, though I won't speak for her, regarding the rape in the novels, Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 02:23:19 AM 2675 Views
When does he use rape in an erotic manner? A Deathwatch Guard - 14/08/2012 05:48:59 AM 2498 Views
like all the time. Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:45:42 PM 2603 Views
Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:18:58 AM 2549 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. dacole - 14/08/2012 04:37:17 PM 2562 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:39:31 AM 2766 Views
I for one never saw any of the rapes as erotic imlad - 21/08/2012 05:04:11 PM 2814 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:17:55 AM 2488 Views
How is that a violent rape? At worst it would be statutory rape. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:53:44 AM 2652 Views
The wedding night is statutory. I would describe the later rapes as fairly violent. Camilla - 17/08/2012 12:13:26 PM 2774 Views
That was her only sex scene, until she induces him to have outdoor sex to get pregnant Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:20:09 PM 2583 Views
It is not necessary to provide a scene Camilla - 17/08/2012 10:49:20 PM 2621 Views
I believe that what is happening here is called confirmation bias *NM* Kotagg - 21/08/2012 06:23:38 PM 1408 Views
House Banners/Sigils imlad - 21/08/2012 04:56:07 PM 2578 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin dacole - 14/08/2012 02:08:59 AM 2441 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:25:11 AM 2557 Views
I think you misread one part Dark Knight - 14/08/2012 04:51:34 PM 2704 Views
I think that the Rhaegar and Lyanna stuff does look like rape in the first book Stephen - 14/08/2012 08:10:27 PM 2490 Views
"Looks like" is this case meaning "explicitly stated to be that way"? Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:56:48 AM 2503 Views
Currently kicking myself Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:43:36 AM 2808 Views
Re: Currently kicking myself Stephen - 16/08/2012 10:11:01 AM 2533 Views
what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... temeraire - 15/08/2012 01:21:38 AM 2459 Views
Re: what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... Camilla - 15/08/2012 07:39:24 AM 2781 Views
philippa gregory co-authored a book "the women of the cousins' war" - it was very interesting temeraire - 16/08/2012 07:54:50 PM 2504 Views
Wait...why would you waste time reading this fluff series when it's out on TV? Tom - 16/08/2012 12:10:32 AM 2609 Views
Trollolololololololllll *NM* Kotagg - 16/08/2012 01:02:22 AM 1271 Views
Se noteboard. *NM* Camilla - 16/08/2012 06:29:39 AM 1311 Views
Game, set, and match *NM* Praziquantel - 18/08/2012 03:50:38 PM 1283 Views
I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... lord-of-shadow - 16/08/2012 11:52:40 PM 2409 Views
Re: I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:33:24 AM 2686 Views
I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:20:16 AM 2597 Views
Re: I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:40:12 AM 2651 Views
I think it messed it up by showing forced intercourse without the verbal consent Drogo DID obtain Cannoli - 17/08/2012 12:07:14 PM 2640 Views
I still find it difficult to read it as anything other than a coerced consent Stephen - 17/08/2012 01:08:15 PM 2430 Views
A perpetrator-less crime then. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:26:26 PM 2557 Views
Exactly! I'm on board, Cannoli. Kotagg - 18/08/2012 07:45:56 PM 2426 Views
You are missing the point. Camilla - 18/08/2012 11:11:33 PM 2659 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Werthead - 19/08/2012 01:25:30 PM 2607 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Camilla - 19/08/2012 01:40:11 PM 2700 Views
So, you're saying that Juliet was raped by Romeo??? imlad - 21/08/2012 05:24:56 PM 2618 Views
The later books do add more context and change some of this snoopcester - 19/08/2012 12:08:49 AM 2486 Views
Re: The later books do add more context and change some of this Camilla - 19/08/2012 07:27:59 AM 2605 Views
That makes sense snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:35:36 PM 2222 Views
Jesus Christ another fucking thread about rape and fantasy. Dan - 19/08/2012 01:47:43 AM 1542 Views
Perhaps if reading other people's views makes you so angry, you should avoid reading them? *NM* snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:37:03 PM 1334 Views
High blood pressure can kill, I hear. *NM* Camilla - 19/08/2012 03:33:14 PM 1408 Views
Nonsense. nossy - 19/08/2012 03:33:39 PM 1293 Views
Fixed it for you. Dan - 19/08/2012 08:22:18 PM 1401 Views
Oh, but that takes us back to snoop being right, and I'm sorry, but I just cannot abide that. nossy - 19/08/2012 10:56:10 PM 1339 Views
Shake the sand out of your vagina bitch. *NM* everynametaken - 20/08/2012 06:35:32 AM 1293 Views
Gosh, this is really turning into something fun. nossy - 20/08/2012 07:15:01 AM 1458 Views
Here I was about to make a "whee misogyny" post. I never get to have fun. *NM* Ghavrel - 20/08/2012 09:09:04 AM 1164 Views
Huh. I just came to the odd realization... Legolas - 20/08/2012 08:29:56 PM 1415 Views
Don't lock it! Dan - 21/08/2012 05:11:34 AM 1359 Views
Yes, I'm aware, or I might have locked it already. Legolas - 21/08/2012 06:17:29 PM 1239 Views
I'd ask that you do lock it. Stephen - 21/08/2012 10:00:48 PM 1314 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2012 06:26:04 PM 1218 Views
I may join you Camilla - 20/08/2012 10:14:50 PM 1378 Views
COME AT ME BRO *NM* Dan - 21/08/2012 05:09:34 AM 1254 Views
The interesting part is... ? - 28/08/2012 01:39:49 AM 2391 Views
That is the best written and most insightful review of that book I have read random thoughts - 01/09/2012 05:38:00 PM 2466 Views
I forgot that I was supposed to read all threads to watch out for Bad Behaviour. Rebekah - 01/09/2012 11:09:52 PM 2691 Views
i'm rereading the series now and yeah there is a LOT of rape Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:38:27 PM 3086 Views
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