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Re: The later books do add more context and change some of this Camilla Send a noteboard - 19/08/2012 07:27:59 AM
For me it doesn't add that much to it though.

Finally, history. I can see the allusions to the War of Roses, though not as much as I had expected. There certainly does not seem to be any clear overlap between the two. I imagine the main overlap will be the reconciliation of two warring factions through a figure who takes part in both. Say, Jon Snow.

It seemed quite strong to me, like the starting point for Martin was reading a history book about the War of the Roses then reworking it. It is jumbled up but there are characters through the story who just feel to me like they are lifted from it, though reworked or moved in context.


Yes. I think my problem is that when someone says "based on War of Roses", I look for that in the plot, where it is not.
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A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 13/08/2012 10:48:37 PM 9286 Views
Fascinating. Legolas - 13/08/2012 11:40:22 PM 2574 Views
Re: Fascinating. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:23:13 AM 2387 Views
Mainly the names. Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:07:21 AM 2309 Views
Regarding Daenerys as Henry Tudor Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:36:37 AM 2457 Views
Not really. Legolas - 14/08/2012 07:01:36 PM 2564 Views
Shocking Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:49:18 AM 2543 Views
On the Rape issue.... djwilson300 - 14/08/2012 01:19:35 AM 2422 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... dacole - 14/08/2012 02:02:42 AM 2290 Views
Firstly, Camilla is a she. Secondly, though I won't speak for her, regarding the rape in the novels, Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 02:23:19 AM 2445 Views
When does he use rape in an erotic manner? A Deathwatch Guard - 14/08/2012 05:48:59 AM 2295 Views
like all the time. Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:45:42 PM 2404 Views
Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:18:58 AM 2349 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. dacole - 14/08/2012 04:37:17 PM 2343 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:39:31 AM 2558 Views
I for one never saw any of the rapes as erotic imlad - 21/08/2012 05:04:11 PM 2585 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:17:55 AM 2282 Views
How is that a violent rape? At worst it would be statutory rape. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:53:44 AM 2369 Views
The wedding night is statutory. I would describe the later rapes as fairly violent. Camilla - 17/08/2012 12:13:26 PM 2523 Views
That was her only sex scene, until she induces him to have outdoor sex to get pregnant Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:20:09 PM 2389 Views
It is not necessary to provide a scene Camilla - 17/08/2012 10:49:20 PM 2408 Views
I believe that what is happening here is called confirmation bias *NM* Kotagg - 21/08/2012 06:23:38 PM 1301 Views
House Banners/Sigils imlad - 21/08/2012 04:56:07 PM 2365 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin dacole - 14/08/2012 02:08:59 AM 2231 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:25:11 AM 2353 Views
I think you misread one part Dark Knight - 14/08/2012 04:51:34 PM 2497 Views
I think that the Rhaegar and Lyanna stuff does look like rape in the first book Stephen - 14/08/2012 08:10:27 PM 2290 Views
"Looks like" is this case meaning "explicitly stated to be that way"? Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:56:48 AM 2248 Views
Currently kicking myself Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:43:36 AM 2618 Views
Re: Currently kicking myself Stephen - 16/08/2012 10:11:01 AM 2327 Views
what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... temeraire - 15/08/2012 01:21:38 AM 2248 Views
Re: what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... Camilla - 15/08/2012 07:39:24 AM 2598 Views
philippa gregory co-authored a book "the women of the cousins' war" - it was very interesting temeraire - 16/08/2012 07:54:50 PM 2323 Views
Wait...why would you waste time reading this fluff series when it's out on TV? Tom - 16/08/2012 12:10:32 AM 2406 Views
Trollolololololololllll *NM* Kotagg - 16/08/2012 01:02:22 AM 1169 Views
Se noteboard. *NM* Camilla - 16/08/2012 06:29:39 AM 1207 Views
Game, set, and match *NM* Praziquantel - 18/08/2012 03:50:38 PM 1161 Views
I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... lord-of-shadow - 16/08/2012 11:52:40 PM 2206 Views
Re: I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:33:24 AM 2485 Views
I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:20:16 AM 2417 Views
Re: I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:40:12 AM 2416 Views
I think it messed it up by showing forced intercourse without the verbal consent Drogo DID obtain Cannoli - 17/08/2012 12:07:14 PM 2361 Views
I still find it difficult to read it as anything other than a coerced consent Stephen - 17/08/2012 01:08:15 PM 2207 Views
A perpetrator-less crime then. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:26:26 PM 2336 Views
Exactly! I'm on board, Cannoli. Kotagg - 18/08/2012 07:45:56 PM 2198 Views
You are missing the point. Camilla - 18/08/2012 11:11:33 PM 2442 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Werthead - 19/08/2012 01:25:30 PM 2372 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Camilla - 19/08/2012 01:40:11 PM 2456 Views
So, you're saying that Juliet was raped by Romeo??? imlad - 21/08/2012 05:24:56 PM 2393 Views
The later books do add more context and change some of this snoopcester - 19/08/2012 12:08:49 AM 2253 Views
Re: The later books do add more context and change some of this Camilla - 19/08/2012 07:27:59 AM 2395 Views
That makes sense snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:35:36 PM 2023 Views
Jesus Christ another fucking thread about rape and fantasy. Dan - 19/08/2012 01:47:43 AM 1412 Views
Perhaps if reading other people's views makes you so angry, you should avoid reading them? *NM* snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:37:03 PM 1239 Views
High blood pressure can kill, I hear. *NM* Camilla - 19/08/2012 03:33:14 PM 1303 Views
Nonsense. nossy - 19/08/2012 03:33:39 PM 1197 Views
Fixed it for you. Dan - 19/08/2012 08:22:18 PM 1298 Views
Oh, but that takes us back to snoop being right, and I'm sorry, but I just cannot abide that. nossy - 19/08/2012 10:56:10 PM 1225 Views
Shake the sand out of your vagina bitch. *NM* everynametaken - 20/08/2012 06:35:32 AM 1196 Views
Gosh, this is really turning into something fun. nossy - 20/08/2012 07:15:01 AM 1353 Views
Here I was about to make a "whee misogyny" post. I never get to have fun. *NM* Ghavrel - 20/08/2012 09:09:04 AM 1073 Views
Huh. I just came to the odd realization... Legolas - 20/08/2012 08:29:56 PM 1294 Views
Don't lock it! Dan - 21/08/2012 05:11:34 AM 1255 Views
Yes, I'm aware, or I might have locked it already. Legolas - 21/08/2012 06:17:29 PM 1129 Views
I'd ask that you do lock it. Stephen - 21/08/2012 10:00:48 PM 1197 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2012 06:26:04 PM 1116 Views
I may join you Camilla - 20/08/2012 10:14:50 PM 1283 Views
COME AT ME BRO *NM* Dan - 21/08/2012 05:09:34 AM 1145 Views
The interesting part is... ? - 28/08/2012 01:39:49 AM 2176 Views
That is the best written and most insightful review of that book I have read random thoughts - 01/09/2012 05:38:00 PM 2267 Views
I forgot that I was supposed to read all threads to watch out for Bad Behaviour. Rebekah - 01/09/2012 11:09:52 PM 2481 Views
i'm rereading the series now and yeah there is a LOT of rape Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:38:27 PM 2864 Views
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