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I think his point was that only SF/F wasn't good food. Rebekah Send a noteboard - 02/12/2009 02:15:29 PM
Just like only "real" literature isn't good food, or only crime, or only historical, or whatever.

What I got from Tom's post was that it is good to read a whole variety of things.

And, let's be honest, it's harder to find really good SF/F works than it is to find the same amongst "real" literature.

In case you misunderstand me, it's harder still to find quality works amongst crime, harder again in thrillers and almost impossible in romance. ;)
*MySmiley*

Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
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There's only one "L" in Iliad - 02/12/2009 08:18:38 PM 1316 Views
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Maybe not. *NM* - 03/12/2009 12:59:09 AM 659 Views
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Anti the idea ? I see no evidence for this. - 02/12/2009 09:50:37 PM 1351 Views
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What do you mean ? Almost all the repliers agree with Tom - 03/12/2009 11:01:08 AM 1319 Views
Re: What do you mean ? Almost all the repliers agree with Tom - 03/12/2009 11:10:35 AM 1362 Views
I see. You don't read announcements. - 03/12/2009 11:12:04 AM 1299 Views
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Yes. - 03/12/2009 12:01:30 AM 1406 Views
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random thoughts stole my subject line - 03/12/2009 01:56:07 AM 1390 Views
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That's it - 03/12/2009 04:02:28 AM 1473 Views
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Absolutely not. And, as I said before, there's only one "L" in Iliad. - 03/12/2009 06:53:35 PM 1160 Views
sorry about my atrocious spelling (including the one on pertinent) - 03/12/2009 07:14:59 PM 1446 Views
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