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Re: Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Camilla Send a noteboard - 02/12/2009 03:26:59 PM
I take exception to your sentence "Equating one's choice of reading material with one's condition of intellectual achievement reeks of presumptuousness and elitism." No, it doesn't. Intellectual achievement and learning is a life-long process that ends only when we die, and reading remains one of the best ways to continue that process. I keep trying to think of other ways that people can effectively continue to learn, but nothing seems as effective as books. Continuing education, whether in the form of simple classes or yet another Ph.D., invariably involves a heavy volume of reading. Watching educational television is a poor and superficial substitute for reading. The same is doubly true for the internet.


I was thinking about this, too. The only thing I can think of that might work in a similar way, is being exposed to new ways of thinking in other areas. For example by travelling, conversing with a wide variety of people. All require in depth commitment over time, though. Not going to Mexico for the weekend or the clichéd self-confirming bar conversation. And in both cases, again, it is a matter of exposing oneself to new patterns of thining and seeing the world.
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In Support of Other Fiction Tom - 01/12/2009 09:06:14 PM 2263 Views
Rebekah - 01/12/2009 09:22:56 PM 1315 Views
Re: Tom - 01/12/2009 09:28:04 PM 1302 Views
you shouldn't feel the need to defend a non SF/F suggestion, just don't imlad - 03/12/2009 03:34:28 PM 1309 Views
Wow...we were just Santified *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 09:16:21 PM 665 Views
Well, let me offer a diverging view on the topic of speculative fiction. jh - 01/12/2009 09:46:35 PM 1229 Views
I would counter that the stripping away removes a level of reality. Tom - 01/12/2009 10:05:28 PM 1324 Views
That's a Slippery Slope Because You Could Argue On the Same Basis That All Fiction Does That. The Name With No Man - 01/12/2009 11:34:34 PM 1361 Views
I don't see the slippery slope, but rather, a confirmation of my original point. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:41:24 AM 1298 Views
perhaps some university will do a study imlad - 03/12/2009 03:55:54 PM 1281 Views
I'd like to see it Tom - 03/12/2009 09:15:12 PM 1323 Views
I'll get to it once I finish my thesis Camilla - 03/12/2009 09:56:29 PM 1253 Views
If it looks like crap and smells like crap... Tom - 03/12/2009 10:04:15 PM 1284 Views
I Think I'll Post a Thread on This. The Name With No Man - 03/12/2009 06:47:05 PM 1237 Views
I'd like to see it. Tom - 03/12/2009 09:23:07 PM 1283 Views
Regarding depth in Jordan Camilla - 03/12/2009 09:31:19 PM 1258 Views
I was thinking about that too Tom - 03/12/2009 10:05:40 PM 1258 Views
Re: I was thinking about that too Camilla - 03/12/2009 10:09:26 PM 1347 Views
Destroying the Wheel is meaningless. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:18:08 PM 1233 Views
Re: Destroying the Wheel is meaningless. Camilla - 03/12/2009 10:30:15 PM 1280 Views
It would. Destroying the Wheel would likely make him a Buddhist. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:51:17 PM 1247 Views
I Totally Missed That. Joel - 04/12/2009 10:45:56 PM 1336 Views
Re: I Totally Missed That. Camilla - 04/12/2009 10:47:59 PM 1324 Views
I Don't Believe It Cursory, But Comparative. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 11:29:36 PM 1426 Views
Publication bookend Y2K? Camilla - 05/12/2009 10:36:01 AM 1316 Views
They're Thick Bookends. The Name With No Man - 05/12/2009 06:12:06 PM 1262 Views
I'll Try to Have It Up Tomorrow Early. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 11:24:18 PM 1352 Views
Re: Well, let me offer a diverging view on the topic of speculative fiction. Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:28:30 AM 1280 Views
I like it. Ghavrel - 01/12/2009 10:28:48 PM 1274 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 01:43:05 AM 1426 Views
I find Michel Houellebecq to be one of the most intriguing writers of our time AgentOrange - 01/12/2009 11:14:05 PM 1357 Views
And, in recent memory, Orwell was a first-rate writer. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:44:29 AM 1348 Views
wait! there's somebody "dirtier" than Piers Anthony or Philip Jose Farmer??? imlad - 03/12/2009 04:00:28 PM 1322 Views
PJF is dirty? rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:16:12 AM 1199 Views
Nice post. Legolas - 02/12/2009 12:03:09 AM 1369 Views
Perhaps you're right. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:47:10 AM 1247 Views
In its entirety? No. Legolas - 02/12/2009 02:00:10 PM 1286 Views
I agree! Dragonsworn - 02/12/2009 12:17:10 AM 1552 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 01:50:22 AM 1208 Views
I guess I'll break my silence after almost a month and a half... Larry - 02/12/2009 12:23:07 AM 1384 Views
Popcorn? Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:31:44 AM 1312 Views
Yes Larry - 02/12/2009 12:39:10 AM 1355 Views
Lovecraft? Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:51:55 AM 1338 Views
Re-read what I said Larry - 02/12/2009 12:55:08 AM 1399 Views
aahh Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:26:40 AM 1262 Views
I'm glad I could drive you from your Carthusian retreat, Larry Tom - 02/12/2009 01:58:49 AM 1310 Views
It won't last for long - have too many things still to deal with in my life Larry - 02/12/2009 02:36:15 AM 1315 Views
That's too bad. I'll have to learn monasterial sign language to continue a dialogue. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:49:01 AM 1256 Views
Well, I understand two out of those three languages Larry - 02/12/2009 03:56:00 AM 1270 Views
Larry, please tell me you weren't... imlad - 03/12/2009 04:33:32 PM 1137 Views
I concur Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:27:13 AM 1251 Views
I like your framing of the issue (and Shannara is the Taco Bell of writing). Tom - 02/12/2009 02:03:51 AM 1327 Views
Thank you Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:30:42 AM 1258 Views
more like the mom&pop greasy-spoon diner of writing *NM* imlad - 03/12/2009 05:00:21 PM 604 Views
I'm going to put this in my sig, if you don't mind. Ghavrel - 02/12/2009 03:31:13 AM 1318 Views
hehehe Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:31:28 AM 1201 Views
Am i the only one who reads books for fun? Wibble - 02/12/2009 12:33:52 AM 1362 Views
There isn't necessarily a contradiction Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:38:43 AM 1340 Views
I certainly didn't read The Lost Symbol for ANY cultural, intellectual or edifying reason. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:05:45 AM 1260 Views
it didn't come across that way imlad - 03/12/2009 05:15:36 PM 1284 Views
Of course not. Personally, I don't touch anything other than mind candy when I'm in school, Ghavrel - 02/12/2009 03:29:23 AM 1244 Views
one of the things that is important to me in books/shows imlad - 03/12/2009 05:20:29 PM 1179 Views
We agree! Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:03:00 PM 1259 Views
WoT has decent characterization, though a little overwrought. Harrington... not so much. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 04:26:43 AM 1443 Views
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is a science fiction/fantasy movie. Aeryn - 02/12/2009 12:54:08 AM 1322 Views
i was gonna point that out. thnks. *NM* imlad - 02/12/2009 01:13:47 AM 560 Views
Reading only speculative literature is limiting and monotonous. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:09:42 AM 1352 Views
I was going to say exactly that about "real" literature: monotonous and limiting. Aeryn - 02/12/2009 01:57:49 PM 1285 Views
I think his point was that only SF/F wasn't good food. Rebekah - 02/12/2009 02:15:29 PM 1257 Views
I would not disagree with you if you said that. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:27:08 PM 1194 Views
Most non-speculative fiction is fluff as well though. Werthead - 03/12/2009 05:38:32 PM 1174 Views
hear hear!! I agree totally wert-man imlad - 03/12/2009 07:20:09 PM 1249 Views
Which brings us back to my point. Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:04:24 PM 1308 Views
I would like to see the study and statistics that produced this answer. Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:24:02 PM 1202 Views
Re: I would like to see the study and statistics that produced this answer. Camilla - 04/12/2009 10:42:33 PM 1222 Views
Actually, it is a film that does not fit neatly into one category Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:16:20 AM 1313 Views
Science Fiction is the most PERTINANT form of fiction in the world today imlad - 02/12/2009 12:57:19 AM 1279 Views
don't get me wrong imlad - 02/12/2009 01:28:08 AM 1279 Views
"Pertinent", not "Pertinant". If it weren't in all caps I'd have ignored it this time. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:13:36 AM 1288 Views
SF&F and 'real literature' are not mutually exclusive Werthead - 02/12/2009 01:19:05 AM 1262 Views
No, they are not Tom - 02/12/2009 02:18:53 AM 1252 Views
This line is a load of bull bme - 03/12/2009 02:39:53 PM 1384 Views
So why don't we occasionally focus on "real" books that are technically spec fiction? nossy - 02/12/2009 01:25:04 AM 1228 Views
Why must we limit our focus in that way? Tom - 02/12/2009 02:20:11 AM 1220 Views
I don't see it as limiting or forcing. nossy - 02/12/2009 03:16:07 AM 1234 Views
"Elite club" or "elitist clique"? Tom - 02/12/2009 03:52:11 AM 1226 Views
Either way, I want in. *NM* Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:33:52 AM 655 Views
Elite club is how we midwestern rednecks refer to Elitist Clique. *chews on a piece of hay* nossy - 02/12/2009 02:52:01 PM 1386 Views
I was born in the Midwest. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:01:36 PM 1274 Views
I know. nossy - 02/12/2009 03:12:05 PM 1221 Views
Green Acres in reverse, eh? Tom - 02/12/2009 03:38:09 PM 1257 Views
lmao Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:21:17 PM 1410 Views
*piledrivers you* nossy - 02/12/2009 06:28:02 PM 1190 Views
...! Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:17:57 PM 1220 Views
Admit it. You know what I'm talking about. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:29:31 PM 1254 Views
Re: Admit it. You know what I'm talking about. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:31:26 PM 1194 Views
Vermont isn't in the Midwest. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:39:36 PM 1203 Views
Re: Vermont isn't in the Midwest. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:42:47 PM 1235 Views
Huh! I really didn't think of you as being a masochist. Vodalus - 02/12/2009 01:51:55 AM 1221 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 02:21:00 AM 1125 Views
Shitstorm! Vodalus - 02/12/2009 03:06:59 AM 1186 Views
Heh heh heh. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:45:40 AM 1245 Views
Read what you like to read. Craig - 02/12/2009 04:18:53 AM 1323 Views
I'll super size you. Fine. *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 04:32:58 AM 612 Views
Oh noes! I'm getting word-fat! Craig - 02/12/2009 04:59:05 AM 1233 Views
I seem to have struck a nerve. Tom - 02/12/2009 05:20:27 AM 1265 Views
Apparently not the nerve you think, though. Craig - 02/12/2009 06:42:02 AM 1345 Views
Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:13:10 PM 1241 Views
Re: Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:26:59 PM 1272 Views
Agreed. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:30:50 PM 1176 Views
Re: Agreed. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:32:06 PM 1181 Views
Re: Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Craig - 02/12/2009 09:40:28 PM 1323 Views
I really did get under your skin Tom - 02/12/2009 09:58:18 PM 1176 Views
Craig - 02/12/2009 10:06:46 PM 1164 Views
Tom as much as you raise some great points, you are being a condescending ass. lord-of-shadow - 03/12/2009 04:26:27 AM 1249 Views
You're entitled to your opinion. I don't care. Tom - 03/12/2009 04:51:18 AM 1207 Views
I keep replying. It's like a sickness. Craig - 03/12/2009 05:15:28 AM 1224 Views
Your subject line reinforces my opinion. Tom - 03/12/2009 05:31:50 AM 1148 Views
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room. *NM* Ghavrel - 03/12/2009 07:21:05 AM 606 Views
LOL! rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:21:36 AM 1200 Views
See, you just proved my point. Tom - 04/12/2009 12:39:59 AM 1250 Views
Hm. Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:58:56 AM 1832 Views
Re-read my exact point. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:18:20 PM 1187 Views
No. Some kind of reading is indeed essential. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:28:22 PM 1330 Views
There may have been an assumption about literature due to the reason for the post. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:37:47 PM 1264 Views
Somehow I get the feeling that this post hasn't caused quite as much controversy Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:53:18 AM 1350 Views
As I see it... Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:38:07 AM 1232 Views
Yep. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:18:22 PM 1384 Views
Re: Yep. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:35:38 PM 1247 Views
Euripides was poorly received, initially. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:57:58 PM 1166 Views
Re: Euripides was poorly received, initially. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:00:35 PM 1191 Views
I know. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:18:16 PM 1248 Views
Re: I know. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:23:14 PM 1187 Views
That is why he's so good, in my opinion. Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:15:45 PM 1352 Views
I wasn't looking to generate controversy Tom - 02/12/2009 02:19:13 PM 1370 Views
Well... then I'm going to have to agree with Craig a bit. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:32:59 PM 1351 Views
Well, I was being somewhat denigrating. "Unnecessarily" or not is a matter of debate. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:40:29 PM 1200 Views
Well, it's only "unnecessary" if you don't want people to be turned off of your message immediately. *NM* Craig - 02/12/2009 09:42:46 PM 600 Views
Judging from the responses, most people weren't turned off immediately. Tom - 02/12/2009 09:59:35 PM 1170 Views
All reading of fiction is a diversion by the very nature of the activity. Jacob - 02/12/2009 03:43:05 PM 1221 Views
Diversion from direct action, yes. Diversion from reality, no. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:15:48 PM 1198 Views
I maintain that all acts of reading fiction are a diversion from reality/ the realistic Jacob - 02/12/2009 05:43:16 PM 1217 Views
It seems a regressive argument to me. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:18:02 AM 1173 Views
You're playing a game. Jacob - 03/12/2009 03:40:14 PM 1270 Views
I like your response. *NM* Aeryn - 03/12/2009 05:37:09 PM 576 Views
I fundamentally agree with much of what you're saying, but there is a distinction. Tom - 03/12/2009 06:44:02 PM 1256 Views
Oh I concur on that distinction. Jacob - 04/12/2009 09:06:34 PM 1291 Views
Spec fic is perhaps at it's best in autocracies? Ouranid - 02/12/2009 04:10:56 PM 1156 Views
Bulgakov Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:25:17 PM 1248 Views
I've only read the first chapter of M&M. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 04:36:09 PM 1223 Views
Re: I've only read the first chapter of M&M. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:40:16 PM 1142 Views
Not the greatest Tolkien scholar, me. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 05:17:31 PM 1182 Views
Re: Not the greatest Tolkien scholar, me. Camilla - 02/12/2009 05:40:16 PM 1236 Views
I suppose. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 06:26:30 PM 1240 Views
Re: I suppose. Camilla - 02/12/2009 07:25:26 PM 1243 Views
Well, I don't hold escapism in such low esteem *NM* Ouranid - 02/12/2009 07:56:13 PM 606 Views
That is what I mean Camilla - 02/12/2009 08:36:02 PM 1170 Views
This was something I was exploring earlier. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:34:41 PM 1284 Views
Funny thing about the hivemind antagonist. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 05:13:30 PM 1235 Views
I didn't see the zombies reading speculative fiction Tom - 02/12/2009 05:30:26 PM 1312 Views
Oh, they prefer Clive Cussler. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 06:23:42 PM 1291 Views
There's an interesting book in Russian that might be translated somewhere. Tom - 02/12/2009 10:02:48 PM 1297 Views
i think it comes more down to quality than genre. LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 04:55:20 PM 1261 Views
I disagree with the ultimate conclusion but agree with many of your points. Tom - 02/12/2009 05:43:04 PM 1212 Views
the illiad is a classic LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 06:35:24 PM 1235 Views
There's only one "L" in Iliad Tom - 02/12/2009 08:18:38 PM 1203 Views
Is there a safe answer to that question? *NM* LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 10:33:21 PM 628 Views
Maybe not. *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 12:59:09 AM 598 Views
It took me a few minutes to agree Beqi - 02/12/2009 07:04:59 PM 1204 Views
Well, I'm glad if you got something out of the post! Tom - 02/12/2009 09:13:26 PM 1228 Views
Re: Well, I'm glad if you got something out of the post! Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:20:49 PM 1190 Views
I don't know. I've only read about 30 pages so far. *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 10:05:54 PM 643 Views
Many people have mentioned that there's quite a bit of good sff lit out there and you seem to agree. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 07:33:42 PM 1323 Views
Hmmm Camilla - 02/12/2009 08:40:53 PM 1202 Views
Re: Hmmm Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:48:02 PM 1229 Views
The website is called "Read and Find Out". It doesn't specify what we're supposed to read. Rebekah - 02/12/2009 08:42:19 PM 1289 Views
Anti the idea ? I see no evidence for this. AgentOrange - 02/12/2009 09:50:37 PM 1246 Views
Heh Rebekah - 02/12/2009 09:56:30 PM 1247 Views
What do you mean ? Almost all the repliers agree with Tom AgentOrange - 03/12/2009 11:01:08 AM 1215 Views
Re: What do you mean ? Almost all the repliers agree with Tom Camilla - 03/12/2009 11:10:35 AM 1255 Views
I see. You don't read announcements. Rebekah - 03/12/2009 11:12:04 AM 1195 Views
No, but it does bill itself as science fiction/fantasy. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:51:41 PM 1334 Views
Yes. Rebekah - 03/12/2009 12:01:30 AM 1319 Views
I think Rebekah and Camilla put it well. Tom - 02/12/2009 10:05:24 PM 1327 Views
I think they make good points, as I said above. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:56:55 PM 1196 Views
I agree with in principle random thoughts - 02/12/2009 11:22:19 PM 1167 Views
Certainly. People are free to skip any discussion. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:01:40 AM 1312 Views
I have a few objections. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/12/2009 12:24:43 AM 1280 Views
where else should we talk about it? LadyLorraine - 03/12/2009 12:37:26 AM 1206 Views
There's a difference between having threads about it and focusing the official book club on it. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/12/2009 12:40:53 AM 1324 Views
This is the Sci-Fi and Fantasy Board for site optimization purposes. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:07:39 AM 14241 Views
random thoughts stole my subject line Chas - 03/12/2009 01:56:07 AM 1286 Views
I think I could agree with a "comfort food" analogy Tom - 03/12/2009 02:12:01 AM 1274 Views
Re: I think I could agree with a "comfort food" analogy Chas - 03/12/2009 02:38:17 AM 1331 Views
That's it Ouranid - 03/12/2009 04:02:28 AM 1345 Views
Question: is it really science fiction without one of the following: Tom - 03/12/2009 05:13:21 AM 1249 Views
Certainly Ouranid - 03/12/2009 06:13:38 AM 1314 Views
technically speaking, fantasy is classed as a sub heading under science fiction. *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/12/2009 02:51:12 PM 526 Views
According to whom? *NM* Camilla - 03/12/2009 03:55:45 PM 652 Views
Yeah. What she asked! *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 09:23:55 PM 641 Views
Yes, it is but actually... Ellestra - 03/12/2009 09:31:44 PM 1248 Views
Eternal Sunshine doesn't have a mad scientist. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:09:01 PM 1172 Views
Really? Ellestra - 04/12/2009 07:01:42 PM 1208 Views
But Dan Brown rocks da house!!! *NM* everynametaken - 03/12/2009 02:16:47 AM 631 Views
*pumps fist* Give it up for Dan Brown! *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 03:58:23 AM 639 Views
That's Dan "booyah" Brown!!! Booyah!!! *NM* everynametaken - 04/12/2009 02:00:56 AM 629 Views
another thing wrong with your argument imlad - 03/12/2009 03:30:19 PM 1237 Views
Absolutely not. And, as I said before, there's only one "L" in Iliad. Tom - 03/12/2009 06:53:35 PM 1053 Views
sorry about my atrocious spelling (including the one on pertinent) imlad - 03/12/2009 07:14:59 PM 1354 Views
No problem. On the substantive points: Tom - 03/12/2009 08:00:33 PM 1285 Views
more importantly, which I think it being lost in all this, Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:05:27 PM 1251 Views
I'm not reading the Iliad again, once was enough random thoughts - 04/12/2009 12:19:07 PM 1205 Views
is it just me, or is this now the largest post/thread yet on RAFO.com??? 168 replies so far! *NM* imlad - 03/12/2009 05:03:25 PM 565 Views
Well, for once we're discussing books...and their value. *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 06:54:01 PM 631 Views
Congratulations on the replies count Ellestra - 03/12/2009 09:30:41 PM 1351 Views
That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:50:29 PM 1262 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Ellestra - 04/12/2009 07:44:56 PM 1300 Views
But the objective truth of a setting can be measured. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:37:10 PM 1210 Views
But does it make any difference in the objective value of the book? Ellestra - 06/12/2009 09:35:59 AM 1388 Views
YES. Tom - 06/12/2009 03:34:17 PM 1155 Views
NO Ellestra - 07/12/2009 08:40:33 PM 1259 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. AgentOrange - 04/12/2009 10:25:08 PM 1239 Views
Yes, it is worse with movies. Much worse, in fact. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:33:18 PM 1268 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Ellestra - 06/12/2009 09:36:11 AM 1228 Views
Maybe we're different, but I don't care for FX AgentOrange - 06/12/2009 01:37:53 PM 1187 Views
This is not about the personal taste Ellestra - 07/12/2009 08:50:34 PM 1282 Views
I've obviously missed the show here... rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:14:30 AM 1189 Views
I'm not sure that's right. This thing just keeps growing. Tom - 04/12/2009 12:46:24 AM 1304 Views
What, your penis? rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:40:09 AM 1212 Views
Don't you know it! Tom - 06/12/2009 03:28:16 PM 1098 Views
You talk the talk, that's for sure. rebelaessedai - 07/12/2009 08:14:41 PM 1250 Views
Hate to break it to you... Craig - 07/12/2009 09:54:24 PM 1305 Views
I thought you were gonna tell me... rebelaessedai - 08/12/2009 03:07:54 PM 1357 Views
Metaphor versus literalism Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:42:03 PM 1279 Views
Metaphor divorced from the reality runs risks, however. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:25:47 PM 1192 Views
Honestly, the moral can always be dismissed as inapplicable if you want to dismiss it. Legolas - 05/12/2009 12:16:39 AM 1216 Views
While that's true, it's much harder to just dismiss Mockingbird. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:57:42 AM 1182 Views
Then why read fiction at all? It's all a diversion. Werthead - 05/12/2009 04:16:06 PM 1199 Views
I think people should read non-fiction, and The Nine Hundred Days is an excellent book. Tom - 05/12/2009 04:41:50 PM 1228 Views
aha. but. Camilla - 07/12/2009 03:56:48 PM 1406 Views
Quoting Nietzsche is really hitting below the belt. Tom - 07/12/2009 09:12:34 PM 1339 Views
It is good I was only paraphrasing, then Camilla - 08/12/2009 10:44:14 AM 1236 Views
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