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I really did get under your skin Tom Send a noteboard - 02/12/2009 09:58:18 PM
I think you're one of the only people here who has reacted so vehemently to my point. The lady doth protest too much. You don't want to admit it, though. That's fine.

I'll put it much more simply: we disagree completely and fundamentally. I'll let you calm down and maybe we can discuss something intelligently in the future.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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In Support of Other Fiction Tom - 01/12/2009 09:06:14 PM 2247 Views
Rebekah - 01/12/2009 09:22:56 PM 1302 Views
Re: Tom - 01/12/2009 09:28:04 PM 1287 Views
you shouldn't feel the need to defend a non SF/F suggestion, just don't imlad - 03/12/2009 03:34:28 PM 1291 Views
Wow...we were just Santified *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 09:16:21 PM 654 Views
Well, let me offer a diverging view on the topic of speculative fiction. jh - 01/12/2009 09:46:35 PM 1213 Views
I would counter that the stripping away removes a level of reality. Tom - 01/12/2009 10:05:28 PM 1308 Views
That's a Slippery Slope Because You Could Argue On the Same Basis That All Fiction Does That. The Name With No Man - 01/12/2009 11:34:34 PM 1337 Views
I don't see the slippery slope, but rather, a confirmation of my original point. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:41:24 AM 1289 Views
perhaps some university will do a study imlad - 03/12/2009 03:55:54 PM 1272 Views
I'd like to see it Tom - 03/12/2009 09:15:12 PM 1315 Views
I'll get to it once I finish my thesis Camilla - 03/12/2009 09:56:29 PM 1244 Views
If it looks like crap and smells like crap... Tom - 03/12/2009 10:04:15 PM 1270 Views
I Think I'll Post a Thread on This. The Name With No Man - 03/12/2009 06:47:05 PM 1221 Views
I'd like to see it. Tom - 03/12/2009 09:23:07 PM 1268 Views
Regarding depth in Jordan Camilla - 03/12/2009 09:31:19 PM 1245 Views
I was thinking about that too Tom - 03/12/2009 10:05:40 PM 1238 Views
Re: I was thinking about that too Camilla - 03/12/2009 10:09:26 PM 1332 Views
Destroying the Wheel is meaningless. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:18:08 PM 1223 Views
Re: Destroying the Wheel is meaningless. Camilla - 03/12/2009 10:30:15 PM 1267 Views
It would. Destroying the Wheel would likely make him a Buddhist. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:51:17 PM 1236 Views
I Totally Missed That. Joel - 04/12/2009 10:45:56 PM 1322 Views
Re: I Totally Missed That. Camilla - 04/12/2009 10:47:59 PM 1315 Views
I Don't Believe It Cursory, But Comparative. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 11:29:36 PM 1419 Views
Publication bookend Y2K? Camilla - 05/12/2009 10:36:01 AM 1310 Views
They're Thick Bookends. The Name With No Man - 05/12/2009 06:12:06 PM 1253 Views
I'll Try to Have It Up Tomorrow Early. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 11:24:18 PM 1347 Views
Re: Well, let me offer a diverging view on the topic of speculative fiction. Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:28:30 AM 1265 Views
I like it. Ghavrel - 01/12/2009 10:28:48 PM 1262 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 01:43:05 AM 1412 Views
I find Michel Houellebecq to be one of the most intriguing writers of our time AgentOrange - 01/12/2009 11:14:05 PM 1349 Views
And, in recent memory, Orwell was a first-rate writer. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:44:29 AM 1337 Views
wait! there's somebody "dirtier" than Piers Anthony or Philip Jose Farmer??? imlad - 03/12/2009 04:00:28 PM 1314 Views
PJF is dirty? rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:16:12 AM 1191 Views
Nice post. Legolas - 02/12/2009 12:03:09 AM 1362 Views
Perhaps you're right. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:47:10 AM 1228 Views
In its entirety? No. Legolas - 02/12/2009 02:00:10 PM 1266 Views
I agree! Dragonsworn - 02/12/2009 12:17:10 AM 1536 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 01:50:22 AM 1193 Views
I guess I'll break my silence after almost a month and a half... Larry - 02/12/2009 12:23:07 AM 1363 Views
Popcorn? Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:31:44 AM 1298 Views
Yes Larry - 02/12/2009 12:39:10 AM 1344 Views
Lovecraft? Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:51:55 AM 1333 Views
Re-read what I said Larry - 02/12/2009 12:55:08 AM 1387 Views
aahh Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:26:40 AM 1252 Views
I'm glad I could drive you from your Carthusian retreat, Larry Tom - 02/12/2009 01:58:49 AM 1294 Views
It won't last for long - have too many things still to deal with in my life Larry - 02/12/2009 02:36:15 AM 1296 Views
That's too bad. I'll have to learn monasterial sign language to continue a dialogue. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:49:01 AM 1252 Views
Well, I understand two out of those three languages Larry - 02/12/2009 03:56:00 AM 1253 Views
Larry, please tell me you weren't... imlad - 03/12/2009 04:33:32 PM 1125 Views
I concur Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:27:13 AM 1235 Views
I like your framing of the issue (and Shannara is the Taco Bell of writing). Tom - 02/12/2009 02:03:51 AM 1308 Views
Thank you Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:30:42 AM 1233 Views
more like the mom&pop greasy-spoon diner of writing *NM* imlad - 03/12/2009 05:00:21 PM 597 Views
I'm going to put this in my sig, if you don't mind. Ghavrel - 02/12/2009 03:31:13 AM 1306 Views
hehehe Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:31:28 AM 1190 Views
Am i the only one who reads books for fun? Wibble - 02/12/2009 12:33:52 AM 1347 Views
There isn't necessarily a contradiction Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:38:43 AM 1309 Views
I certainly didn't read The Lost Symbol for ANY cultural, intellectual or edifying reason. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:05:45 AM 1244 Views
it didn't come across that way imlad - 03/12/2009 05:15:36 PM 1273 Views
Of course not. Personally, I don't touch anything other than mind candy when I'm in school, Ghavrel - 02/12/2009 03:29:23 AM 1230 Views
one of the things that is important to me in books/shows imlad - 03/12/2009 05:20:29 PM 1168 Views
We agree! Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:03:00 PM 1254 Views
WoT has decent characterization, though a little overwrought. Harrington... not so much. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 04:26:43 AM 1426 Views
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is a science fiction/fantasy movie. Aeryn - 02/12/2009 12:54:08 AM 1312 Views
i was gonna point that out. thnks. *NM* imlad - 02/12/2009 01:13:47 AM 552 Views
Reading only speculative literature is limiting and monotonous. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:09:42 AM 1335 Views
I was going to say exactly that about "real" literature: monotonous and limiting. Aeryn - 02/12/2009 01:57:49 PM 1254 Views
I think his point was that only SF/F wasn't good food. Rebekah - 02/12/2009 02:15:29 PM 1243 Views
I would not disagree with you if you said that. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:27:08 PM 1174 Views
Most non-speculative fiction is fluff as well though. Werthead - 03/12/2009 05:38:32 PM 1169 Views
hear hear!! I agree totally wert-man imlad - 03/12/2009 07:20:09 PM 1236 Views
Which brings us back to my point. Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:04:24 PM 1297 Views
I would like to see the study and statistics that produced this answer. Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:24:02 PM 1190 Views
Re: I would like to see the study and statistics that produced this answer. Camilla - 04/12/2009 10:42:33 PM 1208 Views
Actually, it is a film that does not fit neatly into one category Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:16:20 AM 1303 Views
Science Fiction is the most PERTINANT form of fiction in the world today imlad - 02/12/2009 12:57:19 AM 1251 Views
don't get me wrong imlad - 02/12/2009 01:28:08 AM 1275 Views
"Pertinent", not "Pertinant". If it weren't in all caps I'd have ignored it this time. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:13:36 AM 1280 Views
SF&F and 'real literature' are not mutually exclusive Werthead - 02/12/2009 01:19:05 AM 1234 Views
No, they are not Tom - 02/12/2009 02:18:53 AM 1240 Views
This line is a load of bull bme - 03/12/2009 02:39:53 PM 1371 Views
So why don't we occasionally focus on "real" books that are technically spec fiction? nossy - 02/12/2009 01:25:04 AM 1216 Views
Why must we limit our focus in that way? Tom - 02/12/2009 02:20:11 AM 1207 Views
I don't see it as limiting or forcing. nossy - 02/12/2009 03:16:07 AM 1228 Views
"Elite club" or "elitist clique"? Tom - 02/12/2009 03:52:11 AM 1209 Views
Either way, I want in. *NM* Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:33:52 AM 647 Views
Elite club is how we midwestern rednecks refer to Elitist Clique. *chews on a piece of hay* nossy - 02/12/2009 02:52:01 PM 1376 Views
I was born in the Midwest. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:01:36 PM 1269 Views
I know. nossy - 02/12/2009 03:12:05 PM 1206 Views
Green Acres in reverse, eh? Tom - 02/12/2009 03:38:09 PM 1243 Views
lmao Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:21:17 PM 1399 Views
*piledrivers you* nossy - 02/12/2009 06:28:02 PM 1181 Views
...! Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:17:57 PM 1213 Views
Admit it. You know what I'm talking about. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:29:31 PM 1230 Views
Re: Admit it. You know what I'm talking about. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:31:26 PM 1183 Views
Vermont isn't in the Midwest. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:39:36 PM 1195 Views
Re: Vermont isn't in the Midwest. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:42:47 PM 1225 Views
Huh! I really didn't think of you as being a masochist. Vodalus - 02/12/2009 01:51:55 AM 1208 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 02:21:00 AM 1110 Views
Shitstorm! Vodalus - 02/12/2009 03:06:59 AM 1181 Views
Heh heh heh. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:45:40 AM 1235 Views
Read what you like to read. Craig - 02/12/2009 04:18:53 AM 1314 Views
I'll super size you. Fine. *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 04:32:58 AM 602 Views
Oh noes! I'm getting word-fat! Craig - 02/12/2009 04:59:05 AM 1226 Views
I seem to have struck a nerve. Tom - 02/12/2009 05:20:27 AM 1256 Views
Apparently not the nerve you think, though. Craig - 02/12/2009 06:42:02 AM 1335 Views
Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:13:10 PM 1223 Views
Re: Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:26:59 PM 1253 Views
Agreed. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:30:50 PM 1161 Views
Re: Agreed. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:32:06 PM 1171 Views
Re: Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Craig - 02/12/2009 09:40:28 PM 1306 Views
I really did get under your skin Tom - 02/12/2009 09:58:18 PM 1161 Views
Craig - 02/12/2009 10:06:46 PM 1156 Views
Tom as much as you raise some great points, you are being a condescending ass. lord-of-shadow - 03/12/2009 04:26:27 AM 1237 Views
You're entitled to your opinion. I don't care. Tom - 03/12/2009 04:51:18 AM 1198 Views
I keep replying. It's like a sickness. Craig - 03/12/2009 05:15:28 AM 1214 Views
Your subject line reinforces my opinion. Tom - 03/12/2009 05:31:50 AM 1137 Views
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room. *NM* Ghavrel - 03/12/2009 07:21:05 AM 592 Views
LOL! rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:21:36 AM 1191 Views
See, you just proved my point. Tom - 04/12/2009 12:39:59 AM 1237 Views
Hm. Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:58:56 AM 1824 Views
Re-read my exact point. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:18:20 PM 1175 Views
No. Some kind of reading is indeed essential. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:28:22 PM 1325 Views
There may have been an assumption about literature due to the reason for the post. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:37:47 PM 1247 Views
Somehow I get the feeling that this post hasn't caused quite as much controversy Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:53:18 AM 1333 Views
As I see it... Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:38:07 AM 1214 Views
Yep. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:18:22 PM 1373 Views
Re: Yep. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:35:38 PM 1233 Views
Euripides was poorly received, initially. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:57:58 PM 1152 Views
Re: Euripides was poorly received, initially. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:00:35 PM 1175 Views
I know. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:18:16 PM 1235 Views
Re: I know. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:23:14 PM 1177 Views
That is why he's so good, in my opinion. Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:15:45 PM 1333 Views
I wasn't looking to generate controversy Tom - 02/12/2009 02:19:13 PM 1356 Views
Well... then I'm going to have to agree with Craig a bit. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:32:59 PM 1332 Views
Well, I was being somewhat denigrating. "Unnecessarily" or not is a matter of debate. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:40:29 PM 1189 Views
Well, it's only "unnecessary" if you don't want people to be turned off of your message immediately. *NM* Craig - 02/12/2009 09:42:46 PM 594 Views
Judging from the responses, most people weren't turned off immediately. Tom - 02/12/2009 09:59:35 PM 1163 Views
All reading of fiction is a diversion by the very nature of the activity. Jacob - 02/12/2009 03:43:05 PM 1209 Views
Diversion from direct action, yes. Diversion from reality, no. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:15:48 PM 1188 Views
I maintain that all acts of reading fiction are a diversion from reality/ the realistic Jacob - 02/12/2009 05:43:16 PM 1206 Views
It seems a regressive argument to me. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:18:02 AM 1154 Views
You're playing a game. Jacob - 03/12/2009 03:40:14 PM 1251 Views
I like your response. *NM* Aeryn - 03/12/2009 05:37:09 PM 567 Views
I fundamentally agree with much of what you're saying, but there is a distinction. Tom - 03/12/2009 06:44:02 PM 1236 Views
Oh I concur on that distinction. Jacob - 04/12/2009 09:06:34 PM 1284 Views
Spec fic is perhaps at it's best in autocracies? Ouranid - 02/12/2009 04:10:56 PM 1148 Views
Bulgakov Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:25:17 PM 1234 Views
I've only read the first chapter of M&M. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 04:36:09 PM 1208 Views
Re: I've only read the first chapter of M&M. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:40:16 PM 1130 Views
Not the greatest Tolkien scholar, me. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 05:17:31 PM 1177 Views
Re: Not the greatest Tolkien scholar, me. Camilla - 02/12/2009 05:40:16 PM 1219 Views
I suppose. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 06:26:30 PM 1226 Views
Re: I suppose. Camilla - 02/12/2009 07:25:26 PM 1233 Views
Well, I don't hold escapism in such low esteem *NM* Ouranid - 02/12/2009 07:56:13 PM 599 Views
That is what I mean Camilla - 02/12/2009 08:36:02 PM 1156 Views
This was something I was exploring earlier. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:34:41 PM 1265 Views
Funny thing about the hivemind antagonist. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 05:13:30 PM 1217 Views
I didn't see the zombies reading speculative fiction Tom - 02/12/2009 05:30:26 PM 1298 Views
Oh, they prefer Clive Cussler. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 06:23:42 PM 1278 Views
There's an interesting book in Russian that might be translated somewhere. Tom - 02/12/2009 10:02:48 PM 1277 Views
i think it comes more down to quality than genre. LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 04:55:20 PM 1241 Views
I disagree with the ultimate conclusion but agree with many of your points. Tom - 02/12/2009 05:43:04 PM 1198 Views
the illiad is a classic LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 06:35:24 PM 1224 Views
There's only one "L" in Iliad Tom - 02/12/2009 08:18:38 PM 1187 Views
Is there a safe answer to that question? *NM* LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 10:33:21 PM 622 Views
Maybe not. *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 12:59:09 AM 589 Views
It took me a few minutes to agree Beqi - 02/12/2009 07:04:59 PM 1189 Views
Well, I'm glad if you got something out of the post! Tom - 02/12/2009 09:13:26 PM 1217 Views
Re: Well, I'm glad if you got something out of the post! Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:20:49 PM 1171 Views
I don't know. I've only read about 30 pages so far. *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 10:05:54 PM 629 Views
Many people have mentioned that there's quite a bit of good sff lit out there and you seem to agree. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 07:33:42 PM 1319 Views
Hmmm Camilla - 02/12/2009 08:40:53 PM 1195 Views
Re: Hmmm Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:48:02 PM 1223 Views
The website is called "Read and Find Out". It doesn't specify what we're supposed to read. Rebekah - 02/12/2009 08:42:19 PM 1277 Views
Anti the idea ? I see no evidence for this. AgentOrange - 02/12/2009 09:50:37 PM 1239 Views
Heh Rebekah - 02/12/2009 09:56:30 PM 1233 Views
What do you mean ? Almost all the repliers agree with Tom AgentOrange - 03/12/2009 11:01:08 AM 1200 Views
Re: What do you mean ? Almost all the repliers agree with Tom Camilla - 03/12/2009 11:10:35 AM 1246 Views
I see. You don't read announcements. Rebekah - 03/12/2009 11:12:04 AM 1179 Views
No, but it does bill itself as science fiction/fantasy. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:51:41 PM 1321 Views
Yes. Rebekah - 03/12/2009 12:01:30 AM 1310 Views
I think Rebekah and Camilla put it well. Tom - 02/12/2009 10:05:24 PM 1319 Views
I think they make good points, as I said above. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:56:55 PM 1186 Views
I agree with in principle random thoughts - 02/12/2009 11:22:19 PM 1157 Views
Certainly. People are free to skip any discussion. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:01:40 AM 1294 Views
I have a few objections. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/12/2009 12:24:43 AM 1267 Views
where else should we talk about it? LadyLorraine - 03/12/2009 12:37:26 AM 1196 Views
There's a difference between having threads about it and focusing the official book club on it. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/12/2009 12:40:53 AM 1311 Views
This is the Sci-Fi and Fantasy Board for site optimization purposes. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:07:39 AM 14237 Views
random thoughts stole my subject line Chas - 03/12/2009 01:56:07 AM 1267 Views
I think I could agree with a "comfort food" analogy Tom - 03/12/2009 02:12:01 AM 1268 Views
Re: I think I could agree with a "comfort food" analogy Chas - 03/12/2009 02:38:17 AM 1314 Views
That's it Ouranid - 03/12/2009 04:02:28 AM 1332 Views
Question: is it really science fiction without one of the following: Tom - 03/12/2009 05:13:21 AM 1241 Views
Certainly Ouranid - 03/12/2009 06:13:38 AM 1302 Views
technically speaking, fantasy is classed as a sub heading under science fiction. *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/12/2009 02:51:12 PM 518 Views
According to whom? *NM* Camilla - 03/12/2009 03:55:45 PM 642 Views
Yeah. What she asked! *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 09:23:55 PM 626 Views
Yes, it is but actually... Ellestra - 03/12/2009 09:31:44 PM 1238 Views
Eternal Sunshine doesn't have a mad scientist. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:09:01 PM 1160 Views
Really? Ellestra - 04/12/2009 07:01:42 PM 1195 Views
But Dan Brown rocks da house!!! *NM* everynametaken - 03/12/2009 02:16:47 AM 617 Views
*pumps fist* Give it up for Dan Brown! *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 03:58:23 AM 612 Views
That's Dan "booyah" Brown!!! Booyah!!! *NM* everynametaken - 04/12/2009 02:00:56 AM 621 Views
another thing wrong with your argument imlad - 03/12/2009 03:30:19 PM 1220 Views
Absolutely not. And, as I said before, there's only one "L" in Iliad. Tom - 03/12/2009 06:53:35 PM 1034 Views
sorry about my atrocious spelling (including the one on pertinent) imlad - 03/12/2009 07:14:59 PM 1341 Views
No problem. On the substantive points: Tom - 03/12/2009 08:00:33 PM 1270 Views
more importantly, which I think it being lost in all this, Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:05:27 PM 1242 Views
I'm not reading the Iliad again, once was enough random thoughts - 04/12/2009 12:19:07 PM 1191 Views
is it just me, or is this now the largest post/thread yet on RAFO.com??? 168 replies so far! *NM* imlad - 03/12/2009 05:03:25 PM 559 Views
Well, for once we're discussing books...and their value. *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 06:54:01 PM 626 Views
Congratulations on the replies count Ellestra - 03/12/2009 09:30:41 PM 1345 Views
That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:50:29 PM 1250 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Ellestra - 04/12/2009 07:44:56 PM 1279 Views
But the objective truth of a setting can be measured. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:37:10 PM 1203 Views
But does it make any difference in the objective value of the book? Ellestra - 06/12/2009 09:35:59 AM 1361 Views
YES. Tom - 06/12/2009 03:34:17 PM 1149 Views
NO Ellestra - 07/12/2009 08:40:33 PM 1249 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. AgentOrange - 04/12/2009 10:25:08 PM 1230 Views
Yes, it is worse with movies. Much worse, in fact. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:33:18 PM 1259 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Ellestra - 06/12/2009 09:36:11 AM 1213 Views
Maybe we're different, but I don't care for FX AgentOrange - 06/12/2009 01:37:53 PM 1168 Views
This is not about the personal taste Ellestra - 07/12/2009 08:50:34 PM 1262 Views
I've obviously missed the show here... rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:14:30 AM 1178 Views
I'm not sure that's right. This thing just keeps growing. Tom - 04/12/2009 12:46:24 AM 1298 Views
What, your penis? rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:40:09 AM 1192 Views
Don't you know it! Tom - 06/12/2009 03:28:16 PM 1087 Views
You talk the talk, that's for sure. rebelaessedai - 07/12/2009 08:14:41 PM 1235 Views
Hate to break it to you... Craig - 07/12/2009 09:54:24 PM 1294 Views
I thought you were gonna tell me... rebelaessedai - 08/12/2009 03:07:54 PM 1342 Views
Metaphor versus literalism Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:42:03 PM 1258 Views
Metaphor divorced from the reality runs risks, however. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:25:47 PM 1179 Views
Honestly, the moral can always be dismissed as inapplicable if you want to dismiss it. Legolas - 05/12/2009 12:16:39 AM 1198 Views
While that's true, it's much harder to just dismiss Mockingbird. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:57:42 AM 1177 Views
Then why read fiction at all? It's all a diversion. Werthead - 05/12/2009 04:16:06 PM 1179 Views
I think people should read non-fiction, and The Nine Hundred Days is an excellent book. Tom - 05/12/2009 04:41:50 PM 1189 Views
aha. but. Camilla - 07/12/2009 03:56:48 PM 1403 Views
Quoting Nietzsche is really hitting below the belt. Tom - 07/12/2009 09:12:34 PM 1329 Views
It is good I was only paraphrasing, then Camilla - 08/12/2009 10:44:14 AM 1226 Views
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