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People should think about these things before recommending books. Tom Send a noteboard - 09/01/2010 08:13:10 PM
Let's take another book as an example. If I were discussing, say, Doctor Zhivago, I'd mention the following points:

1. The novel is an indictment of utopian thinking. Various different communities in the revolution are presented as examples of how utopias go wrong. In essence, it's a realist version of 1984 or We. Fourier's Christian socialism is evident in Meluzeevo, Plato's Republic in the brothers of the forest.

2. Zhivago's three women exemplify the three periods of Russian history covered by the book. Zhivago's first wife is Imperial Russia, Lara is the Revolution and his second wife is Soviet Russia.

3. The poetry of Zhivago is appended to a book that is essentially poetry in prose form. The language used to describe things has a dreamlike quality, a parallel with Impressionism in art and the sense that you need to read it aloud. Many names are mistakenly heard and repeated to change their meanings to the ideas or emotions they evoke in the reader.

4. The book continues the Christian dialogue of Dostoevsky. The essential problem Pasternak has with the Bolshevik Revolution is its destruction of the individual. He writes how the destruction of the Church is taking mankind back to the days of god-kings and worship of the rulers from Eastern despotisms (which of course is what happened with the cult of Stalin). Essentially, the most important thing that Christianity did was emphasize the value of each individual person - man, woman, free, slave, etc. - and the redemptive power of compassion and forgiveness.

5. Picking up on the Christian dialogue, the Revolution is presented in apocalyptic terms, which fits well with the anti-utopian message of the book. Yuriatin, the city in the Urals (based on Yekaterinburg), has as its root "Yuri", which is a Russian form of "Georgiy" or George. Yuri is also Zhivago's first name, and the motif of St. George slaying the dragon is a recurring one.

I could go on and pick up on other interesting points, avenues for discussion or simple tangents (one further example - is Zhivago's daughter encountered during World War II in the epilogue meant to give the reader hope or a commentary on the degeneration of a high culture? ).

Monte Cristo has none of that. Too many of the characters are two-dimensional, too much is left unsaid. It's not character-based, it's just plot-based. In fact, the author who comes to mind most when I'm reading Dumas is DAN BROWN. It's a fun adventure story and an easy read. There's no depth or substance to it, though.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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The Count of Monte Cristo was a terrible choice for a book discussion. - 09/01/2010 07:41:01 PM 1455 Views
Hey, now (copy/paste) - 09/01/2010 07:48:56 PM 1000 Views
People should think about these things before recommending books. - 09/01/2010 08:13:10 PM 1028 Views
Which is why I voted for Bulgakov's M & M. - 09/01/2010 10:56:00 PM 1090 Views
Agreed. Madame Bovary is serious literature. - 10/01/2010 01:02:34 AM 958 Views
Are you nuts!!?? - 10/01/2010 08:37:47 AM 1100 Views
I wanted to do that too. - 10/01/2010 01:24:42 AM 852 Views
It's bloody marvellous. *NM* - 10/01/2010 08:05:47 AM 412 Views
Our next discussions will have preselected options. - 10/01/2010 01:00:59 AM 1016 Views
I heartily support the move from democracy to oligarchy! - 10/01/2010 01:04:13 AM 946 Views
I agree. - 10/01/2010 08:01:33 AM 956 Views
I disagree slightly - 09/01/2010 09:07:12 PM 900 Views
Well, by that standard a Jackie Collins novel is worthy of debate. - 10/01/2010 01:08:04 AM 955 Views
I think you misunderstand my intent - 10/01/2010 01:10:57 AM 1006 Views
You poopyhead! - 10/01/2010 01:19:11 AM 1045 Views
Oh, I almost forgot - 10/01/2010 01:11:50 AM 943 Views
Ooh...I'd love to hear them!!! What did Eco say to trash Dumas? *NM* - 10/01/2010 01:19:43 AM 356 Views
Here's the French translation from Eco's work on supermen - 10/01/2010 01:39:28 AM 1013 Views
I love it. Strangely enough, though, he wrote an introduction to the book. - 10/01/2010 01:54:24 AM 874 Views
Not really strange as Eco has long been fascinated by this book - 11/01/2010 05:01:56 PM 906 Views
Did he mention it in his book on ugliness? - 11/01/2010 05:12:55 PM 788 Views
Re: Did he mention it in his book on ugliness? - 11/01/2010 05:52:29 PM 1111 Views
I like Eco's distinction between light fiction and literature. - 12/01/2010 04:16:38 PM 1001 Views
Re: Here's the French translation from Eco's work on supermen - 11/01/2010 03:49:15 PM 994 Views
That's fascinating. Of course, I disagree with Eco's praise. - 11/01/2010 05:12:25 PM 823 Views
Re: That's fascinating. Of course, I disagree with Eco's praise. - 11/01/2010 06:22:24 PM 1095 Views
I agree that abridging it would not work well. - 12/01/2010 04:06:26 PM 965 Views
In which case... - 12/01/2010 05:22:34 PM 774 Views
Yes - 13/01/2010 07:56:08 PM 1067 Views
Not really. - 15/01/2010 01:18:10 PM 1205 Views
I think there are plenty of things that can be discussed. - 09/01/2010 10:00:06 PM 1152 Views
Discussed and put to rest in 5 minutes or less, perhaps. - 10/01/2010 01:17:02 AM 1010 Views
Depends on who you are, one would imagine. - 10/01/2010 08:16:11 AM 1071 Views
<pretentious>Well, why should we cater to the lowest common denominator? - 11/01/2010 02:17:03 AM 972 Views
Heh. - 11/01/2010 07:49:47 AM 859 Views
I'd laugh... - 11/01/2010 07:21:38 PM 748 Views
Tom is the primary reason I want an ignore feature again. - 12/01/2010 02:17:29 AM 786 Views
I'm glad to hear that. *NM* - 12/01/2010 04:17:30 PM 350 Views
And so you've reached this decision about Tom... - 18/01/2010 10:10:44 PM 959 Views
I don't get that. Well, of course I do from Tom, but let's put him aside for this discussion. - 12/01/2010 03:35:21 AM 1063 Views
It's frustrating though... - 12/01/2010 04:18:37 AM 1026 Views
I think if you posted that (or something like it) people would reply to it. - 12/01/2010 05:08:53 AM 1028 Views
Perhaps. - 12/01/2010 05:26:38 AM 746 Views
Given the people who have read the Kushiel books, I think you'd be pleasantly surprised. - 12/01/2010 05:58:33 AM 807 Views
I was mostly just giving an example. - 12/01/2010 06:14:04 AM 922 Views
You're not. - 12/01/2010 02:16:09 PM 876 Views
Her next series sounds interesting - 12/01/2010 02:20:17 PM 744 Views
It does, but the reviews I've seen aren't too enthusiastic. - 12/01/2010 02:29:26 PM 783 Views
Yes, but how so? - 12/01/2010 02:39:59 PM 876 Views
Well... - 13/01/2010 07:03:08 PM 949 Views
Honestly... - 13/01/2010 07:51:14 PM 924 Views
Absolutely. - 14/01/2010 12:55:00 PM 1070 Views
Re: Absolutely. - 14/01/2010 01:57:47 PM 899 Views
ah i didn't realize it was already out - 13/01/2010 11:44:53 PM 717 Views
'tis. - 14/01/2010 12:56:11 PM 1108 Views
I really don't think it would. - 12/01/2010 07:49:32 AM 938 Views
I have tried before. - 12/01/2010 01:59:24 PM 850 Views
That's bullshit - 12/01/2010 11:12:55 PM 979 Views
True, true. - 16/01/2010 08:54:16 AM 675 Views
Luckily for you... - 16/01/2010 08:59:23 AM 1069 Views
Re: "Omigod you read light fantasy?" - 18/01/2010 10:04:41 PM 1153 Views
Har. *NM* - 18/01/2010 10:03:31 PM 511 Views
I'm quite enjoying it. - 09/01/2010 10:40:30 PM 903 Views
A kid's book of adventure doesn't translate into a good book club discussion. - 10/01/2010 01:21:11 AM 823 Views
I have to agree - 11/01/2010 12:36:55 AM 962 Views
How did you find deeper meaning (pun intended) in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea? *NM* - 11/01/2010 02:17:55 AM 364 Views
It was half bullshit, you must understand - 11/01/2010 03:59:42 PM 842 Views
Come on, there is lovely tragedy there... - 13/01/2010 07:32:49 PM 806 Views
I am pleased to be referenced in a cross-board discussion. *NM* - 18/01/2010 09:29:45 PM 482 Views

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