Active Users:523 Time:29/06/2026 08:21:41 AM
People should think about these things before recommending books. Tom Send a noteboard - 09/01/2010 08:13:10 PM
Let's take another book as an example. If I were discussing, say, Doctor Zhivago, I'd mention the following points:

1. The novel is an indictment of utopian thinking. Various different communities in the revolution are presented as examples of how utopias go wrong. In essence, it's a realist version of 1984 or We. Fourier's Christian socialism is evident in Meluzeevo, Plato's Republic in the brothers of the forest.

2. Zhivago's three women exemplify the three periods of Russian history covered by the book. Zhivago's first wife is Imperial Russia, Lara is the Revolution and his second wife is Soviet Russia.

3. The poetry of Zhivago is appended to a book that is essentially poetry in prose form. The language used to describe things has a dreamlike quality, a parallel with Impressionism in art and the sense that you need to read it aloud. Many names are mistakenly heard and repeated to change their meanings to the ideas or emotions they evoke in the reader.

4. The book continues the Christian dialogue of Dostoevsky. The essential problem Pasternak has with the Bolshevik Revolution is its destruction of the individual. He writes how the destruction of the Church is taking mankind back to the days of god-kings and worship of the rulers from Eastern despotisms (which of course is what happened with the cult of Stalin). Essentially, the most important thing that Christianity did was emphasize the value of each individual person - man, woman, free, slave, etc. - and the redemptive power of compassion and forgiveness.

5. Picking up on the Christian dialogue, the Revolution is presented in apocalyptic terms, which fits well with the anti-utopian message of the book. Yuriatin, the city in the Urals (based on Yekaterinburg), has as its root "Yuri", which is a Russian form of "Georgiy" or George. Yuri is also Zhivago's first name, and the motif of St. George slaying the dragon is a recurring one.

I could go on and pick up on other interesting points, avenues for discussion or simple tangents (one further example - is Zhivago's daughter encountered during World War II in the epilogue meant to give the reader hope or a commentary on the degeneration of a high culture? ).

Monte Cristo has none of that. Too many of the characters are two-dimensional, too much is left unsaid. It's not character-based, it's just plot-based. In fact, the author who comes to mind most when I'm reading Dumas is DAN BROWN. It's a fun adventure story and an easy read. There's no depth or substance to it, though.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

*MySmiley*
Reply to message
The Count of Monte Cristo was a terrible choice for a book discussion. - 09/01/2010 07:41:01 PM 1818 Views
Hey, now (copy/paste) - 09/01/2010 07:48:56 PM 1344 Views
People should think about these things before recommending books. - 09/01/2010 08:13:10 PM 1393 Views
Which is why I voted for Bulgakov's M & M. - 09/01/2010 10:56:00 PM 1419 Views
Agreed. Madame Bovary is serious literature. - 10/01/2010 01:02:34 AM 1264 Views
Are you nuts!!?? - 10/01/2010 08:37:47 AM 1535 Views
I wanted to do that too. - 10/01/2010 01:24:42 AM 1190 Views
It's bloody marvellous. *NM* - 10/01/2010 08:05:47 AM 574 Views
Our next discussions will have preselected options. - 10/01/2010 01:00:59 AM 1365 Views
I heartily support the move from democracy to oligarchy! - 10/01/2010 01:04:13 AM 1302 Views
I agree. - 10/01/2010 08:01:33 AM 1258 Views
I disagree slightly - 09/01/2010 09:07:12 PM 1245 Views
Well, by that standard a Jackie Collins novel is worthy of debate. - 10/01/2010 01:08:04 AM 1300 Views
I think you misunderstand my intent - 10/01/2010 01:10:57 AM 1346 Views
You poopyhead! - 10/01/2010 01:19:11 AM 1410 Views
Oh, I almost forgot - 10/01/2010 01:11:50 AM 1275 Views
Ooh...I'd love to hear them!!! What did Eco say to trash Dumas? *NM* - 10/01/2010 01:19:43 AM 512 Views
Here's the French translation from Eco's work on supermen - 10/01/2010 01:39:28 AM 1366 Views
I love it. Strangely enough, though, he wrote an introduction to the book. - 10/01/2010 01:54:24 AM 1220 Views
Not really strange as Eco has long been fascinated by this book - 11/01/2010 05:01:56 PM 1224 Views
Did he mention it in his book on ugliness? - 11/01/2010 05:12:55 PM 1139 Views
Re: Did he mention it in his book on ugliness? - 11/01/2010 05:52:29 PM 1511 Views
I like Eco's distinction between light fiction and literature. - 12/01/2010 04:16:38 PM 1357 Views
Re: Here's the French translation from Eco's work on supermen - 11/01/2010 03:49:15 PM 1422 Views
That's fascinating. Of course, I disagree with Eco's praise. - 11/01/2010 05:12:25 PM 1147 Views
Re: That's fascinating. Of course, I disagree with Eco's praise. - 11/01/2010 06:22:24 PM 1467 Views
I agree that abridging it would not work well. - 12/01/2010 04:06:26 PM 1337 Views
In which case... - 12/01/2010 05:22:34 PM 1127 Views
Yes - 13/01/2010 07:56:08 PM 1411 Views
Not really. - 15/01/2010 01:18:10 PM 1576 Views
I think there are plenty of things that can be discussed. - 09/01/2010 10:00:06 PM 1495 Views
Discussed and put to rest in 5 minutes or less, perhaps. - 10/01/2010 01:17:02 AM 1361 Views
Depends on who you are, one would imagine. - 10/01/2010 08:16:11 AM 1392 Views
<pretentious>Well, why should we cater to the lowest common denominator? - 11/01/2010 02:17:03 AM 1310 Views
Heh. - 11/01/2010 07:49:47 AM 1204 Views
I'd laugh... - 11/01/2010 07:21:38 PM 1093 Views
Tom is the primary reason I want an ignore feature again. - 12/01/2010 02:17:29 AM 1138 Views
I'm glad to hear that. *NM* - 12/01/2010 04:17:30 PM 528 Views
And so you've reached this decision about Tom... - 18/01/2010 10:10:44 PM 1319 Views
I don't get that. Well, of course I do from Tom, but let's put him aside for this discussion. - 12/01/2010 03:35:21 AM 1440 Views
It's frustrating though... - 12/01/2010 04:18:37 AM 1379 Views
I think if you posted that (or something like it) people would reply to it. - 12/01/2010 05:08:53 AM 1392 Views
Perhaps. - 12/01/2010 05:26:38 AM 1097 Views
Given the people who have read the Kushiel books, I think you'd be pleasantly surprised. - 12/01/2010 05:58:33 AM 1151 Views
I was mostly just giving an example. - 12/01/2010 06:14:04 AM 1251 Views
You're not. - 12/01/2010 02:16:09 PM 1202 Views
Her next series sounds interesting - 12/01/2010 02:20:17 PM 1089 Views
It does, but the reviews I've seen aren't too enthusiastic. - 12/01/2010 02:29:26 PM 1129 Views
Yes, but how so? - 12/01/2010 02:39:59 PM 1218 Views
Well... - 13/01/2010 07:03:08 PM 1305 Views
Honestly... - 13/01/2010 07:51:14 PM 1299 Views
Absolutely. - 14/01/2010 12:55:00 PM 1424 Views
Re: Absolutely. - 14/01/2010 01:57:47 PM 1253 Views
ah i didn't realize it was already out - 13/01/2010 11:44:53 PM 1090 Views
'tis. - 14/01/2010 12:56:11 PM 1454 Views
I really don't think it would. - 12/01/2010 07:49:32 AM 1289 Views
I have tried before. - 12/01/2010 01:59:24 PM 1169 Views
That's bullshit - 12/01/2010 11:12:55 PM 1329 Views
True, true. - 16/01/2010 08:54:16 AM 1040 Views
Luckily for you... - 16/01/2010 08:59:23 AM 1434 Views
Re: "Omigod you read light fantasy?" - 18/01/2010 10:04:41 PM 1490 Views
Har. *NM* - 18/01/2010 10:03:31 PM 699 Views
I'm quite enjoying it. - 09/01/2010 10:40:30 PM 1311 Views
A kid's book of adventure doesn't translate into a good book club discussion. - 10/01/2010 01:21:11 AM 1195 Views
I have to agree - 11/01/2010 12:36:55 AM 1306 Views
How did you find deeper meaning (pun intended) in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea? *NM* - 11/01/2010 02:17:55 AM 520 Views
It was half bullshit, you must understand - 11/01/2010 03:59:42 PM 1178 Views
Come on, there is lovely tragedy there... - 13/01/2010 07:32:49 PM 1140 Views
I am pleased to be referenced in a cross-board discussion. *NM* - 18/01/2010 09:29:45 PM 651 Views

Reply to Message