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People should think about these things before recommending books. Tom Send a noteboard - 09/01/2010 08:13:10 PM
Let's take another book as an example. If I were discussing, say, Doctor Zhivago, I'd mention the following points:

1. The novel is an indictment of utopian thinking. Various different communities in the revolution are presented as examples of how utopias go wrong. In essence, it's a realist version of 1984 or We. Fourier's Christian socialism is evident in Meluzeevo, Plato's Republic in the brothers of the forest.

2. Zhivago's three women exemplify the three periods of Russian history covered by the book. Zhivago's first wife is Imperial Russia, Lara is the Revolution and his second wife is Soviet Russia.

3. The poetry of Zhivago is appended to a book that is essentially poetry in prose form. The language used to describe things has a dreamlike quality, a parallel with Impressionism in art and the sense that you need to read it aloud. Many names are mistakenly heard and repeated to change their meanings to the ideas or emotions they evoke in the reader.

4. The book continues the Christian dialogue of Dostoevsky. The essential problem Pasternak has with the Bolshevik Revolution is its destruction of the individual. He writes how the destruction of the Church is taking mankind back to the days of god-kings and worship of the rulers from Eastern despotisms (which of course is what happened with the cult of Stalin). Essentially, the most important thing that Christianity did was emphasize the value of each individual person - man, woman, free, slave, etc. - and the redemptive power of compassion and forgiveness.

5. Picking up on the Christian dialogue, the Revolution is presented in apocalyptic terms, which fits well with the anti-utopian message of the book. Yuriatin, the city in the Urals (based on Yekaterinburg), has as its root "Yuri", which is a Russian form of "Georgiy" or George. Yuri is also Zhivago's first name, and the motif of St. George slaying the dragon is a recurring one.

I could go on and pick up on other interesting points, avenues for discussion or simple tangents (one further example - is Zhivago's daughter encountered during World War II in the epilogue meant to give the reader hope or a commentary on the degeneration of a high culture? ).

Monte Cristo has none of that. Too many of the characters are two-dimensional, too much is left unsaid. It's not character-based, it's just plot-based. In fact, the author who comes to mind most when I'm reading Dumas is DAN BROWN. It's a fun adventure story and an easy read. There's no depth or substance to it, though.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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The Count of Monte Cristo was a terrible choice for a book discussion. - 09/01/2010 07:41:01 PM 1593 Views
Hey, now (copy/paste) - 09/01/2010 07:48:56 PM 1143 Views
People should think about these things before recommending books. - 09/01/2010 08:13:10 PM 1157 Views
Which is why I voted for Bulgakov's M & M. - 09/01/2010 10:56:00 PM 1231 Views
Agreed. Madame Bovary is serious literature. - 10/01/2010 01:02:34 AM 1064 Views
Are you nuts!!?? - 10/01/2010 08:37:47 AM 1306 Views
I wanted to do that too. - 10/01/2010 01:24:42 AM 984 Views
It's bloody marvellous. *NM* - 10/01/2010 08:05:47 AM 464 Views
Our next discussions will have preselected options. - 10/01/2010 01:00:59 AM 1149 Views
I heartily support the move from democracy to oligarchy! - 10/01/2010 01:04:13 AM 1083 Views
I agree. - 10/01/2010 08:01:33 AM 1058 Views
I disagree slightly - 09/01/2010 09:07:12 PM 1035 Views
Well, by that standard a Jackie Collins novel is worthy of debate. - 10/01/2010 01:08:04 AM 1089 Views
I think you misunderstand my intent - 10/01/2010 01:10:57 AM 1138 Views
You poopyhead! - 10/01/2010 01:19:11 AM 1176 Views
Oh, I almost forgot - 10/01/2010 01:11:50 AM 1086 Views
Ooh...I'd love to hear them!!! What did Eco say to trash Dumas? *NM* - 10/01/2010 01:19:43 AM 410 Views
Here's the French translation from Eco's work on supermen - 10/01/2010 01:39:28 AM 1154 Views
I love it. Strangely enough, though, he wrote an introduction to the book. - 10/01/2010 01:54:24 AM 1016 Views
Not really strange as Eco has long been fascinated by this book - 11/01/2010 05:01:56 PM 1038 Views
Did he mention it in his book on ugliness? - 11/01/2010 05:12:55 PM 929 Views
Re: Did he mention it in his book on ugliness? - 11/01/2010 05:52:29 PM 1255 Views
I like Eco's distinction between light fiction and literature. - 12/01/2010 04:16:38 PM 1139 Views
Re: Here's the French translation from Eco's work on supermen - 11/01/2010 03:49:15 PM 1148 Views
That's fascinating. Of course, I disagree with Eco's praise. - 11/01/2010 05:12:25 PM 947 Views
Re: That's fascinating. Of course, I disagree with Eco's praise. - 11/01/2010 06:22:24 PM 1225 Views
I agree that abridging it would not work well. - 12/01/2010 04:06:26 PM 1112 Views
In which case... - 12/01/2010 05:22:34 PM 918 Views
Yes - 13/01/2010 07:56:08 PM 1201 Views
Not really. - 15/01/2010 01:18:10 PM 1348 Views
I think there are plenty of things that can be discussed. - 09/01/2010 10:00:06 PM 1290 Views
Discussed and put to rest in 5 minutes or less, perhaps. - 10/01/2010 01:17:02 AM 1146 Views
Depends on who you are, one would imagine. - 10/01/2010 08:16:11 AM 1207 Views
<pretentious>Well, why should we cater to the lowest common denominator? - 11/01/2010 02:17:03 AM 1096 Views
Heh. - 11/01/2010 07:49:47 AM 1003 Views
I'd laugh... - 11/01/2010 07:21:38 PM 882 Views
Tom is the primary reason I want an ignore feature again. - 12/01/2010 02:17:29 AM 931 Views
I'm glad to hear that. *NM* - 12/01/2010 04:17:30 PM 406 Views
And so you've reached this decision about Tom... - 18/01/2010 10:10:44 PM 1111 Views
I don't get that. Well, of course I do from Tom, but let's put him aside for this discussion. - 12/01/2010 03:35:21 AM 1197 Views
It's frustrating though... - 12/01/2010 04:18:37 AM 1161 Views
I think if you posted that (or something like it) people would reply to it. - 12/01/2010 05:08:53 AM 1167 Views
Perhaps. - 12/01/2010 05:26:38 AM 887 Views
Given the people who have read the Kushiel books, I think you'd be pleasantly surprised. - 12/01/2010 05:58:33 AM 946 Views
I was mostly just giving an example. - 12/01/2010 06:14:04 AM 1054 Views
You're not. - 12/01/2010 02:16:09 PM 1006 Views
Her next series sounds interesting - 12/01/2010 02:20:17 PM 876 Views
It does, but the reviews I've seen aren't too enthusiastic. - 12/01/2010 02:29:26 PM 927 Views
Yes, but how so? - 12/01/2010 02:39:59 PM 1018 Views
Well... - 13/01/2010 07:03:08 PM 1084 Views
Honestly... - 13/01/2010 07:51:14 PM 1068 Views
Absolutely. - 14/01/2010 12:55:00 PM 1216 Views
Re: Absolutely. - 14/01/2010 01:57:47 PM 1027 Views
ah i didn't realize it was already out - 13/01/2010 11:44:53 PM 846 Views
'tis. - 14/01/2010 12:56:11 PM 1247 Views
I really don't think it would. - 12/01/2010 07:49:32 AM 1079 Views
I have tried before. - 12/01/2010 01:59:24 PM 977 Views
That's bullshit - 12/01/2010 11:12:55 PM 1123 Views
True, true. - 16/01/2010 08:54:16 AM 831 Views
Luckily for you... - 16/01/2010 08:59:23 AM 1213 Views
Re: "Omigod you read light fantasy?" - 18/01/2010 10:04:41 PM 1279 Views
Har. *NM* - 18/01/2010 10:03:31 PM 589 Views
I'm quite enjoying it. - 09/01/2010 10:40:30 PM 1111 Views
A kid's book of adventure doesn't translate into a good book club discussion. - 10/01/2010 01:21:11 AM 956 Views
I have to agree - 11/01/2010 12:36:55 AM 1108 Views
How did you find deeper meaning (pun intended) in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea? *NM* - 11/01/2010 02:17:55 AM 414 Views
It was half bullshit, you must understand - 11/01/2010 03:59:42 PM 979 Views
Come on, there is lovely tragedy there... - 13/01/2010 07:32:49 PM 944 Views
I am pleased to be referenced in a cross-board discussion. *NM* - 18/01/2010 09:29:45 PM 556 Views

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