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People should think about these things before recommending books. Tom Send a noteboard - 09/01/2010 08:13:10 PM
Let's take another book as an example. If I were discussing, say, Doctor Zhivago, I'd mention the following points:

1. The novel is an indictment of utopian thinking. Various different communities in the revolution are presented as examples of how utopias go wrong. In essence, it's a realist version of 1984 or We. Fourier's Christian socialism is evident in Meluzeevo, Plato's Republic in the brothers of the forest.

2. Zhivago's three women exemplify the three periods of Russian history covered by the book. Zhivago's first wife is Imperial Russia, Lara is the Revolution and his second wife is Soviet Russia.

3. The poetry of Zhivago is appended to a book that is essentially poetry in prose form. The language used to describe things has a dreamlike quality, a parallel with Impressionism in art and the sense that you need to read it aloud. Many names are mistakenly heard and repeated to change their meanings to the ideas or emotions they evoke in the reader.

4. The book continues the Christian dialogue of Dostoevsky. The essential problem Pasternak has with the Bolshevik Revolution is its destruction of the individual. He writes how the destruction of the Church is taking mankind back to the days of god-kings and worship of the rulers from Eastern despotisms (which of course is what happened with the cult of Stalin). Essentially, the most important thing that Christianity did was emphasize the value of each individual person - man, woman, free, slave, etc. - and the redemptive power of compassion and forgiveness.

5. Picking up on the Christian dialogue, the Revolution is presented in apocalyptic terms, which fits well with the anti-utopian message of the book. Yuriatin, the city in the Urals (based on Yekaterinburg), has as its root "Yuri", which is a Russian form of "Georgiy" or George. Yuri is also Zhivago's first name, and the motif of St. George slaying the dragon is a recurring one.

I could go on and pick up on other interesting points, avenues for discussion or simple tangents (one further example - is Zhivago's daughter encountered during World War II in the epilogue meant to give the reader hope or a commentary on the degeneration of a high culture? ).

Monte Cristo has none of that. Too many of the characters are two-dimensional, too much is left unsaid. It's not character-based, it's just plot-based. In fact, the author who comes to mind most when I'm reading Dumas is DAN BROWN. It's a fun adventure story and an easy read. There's no depth or substance to it, though.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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The Count of Monte Cristo was a terrible choice for a book discussion. - 09/01/2010 07:41:01 PM 1605 Views
Hey, now (copy/paste) - 09/01/2010 07:48:56 PM 1156 Views
People should think about these things before recommending books. - 09/01/2010 08:13:10 PM 1178 Views
Which is why I voted for Bulgakov's M & M. - 09/01/2010 10:56:00 PM 1243 Views
Agreed. Madame Bovary is serious literature. - 10/01/2010 01:02:34 AM 1085 Views
Are you nuts!!?? - 10/01/2010 08:37:47 AM 1318 Views
I wanted to do that too. - 10/01/2010 01:24:42 AM 997 Views
It's bloody marvellous. *NM* - 10/01/2010 08:05:47 AM 470 Views
Our next discussions will have preselected options. - 10/01/2010 01:00:59 AM 1163 Views
I heartily support the move from democracy to oligarchy! - 10/01/2010 01:04:13 AM 1091 Views
I agree. - 10/01/2010 08:01:33 AM 1073 Views
I disagree slightly - 09/01/2010 09:07:12 PM 1049 Views
Well, by that standard a Jackie Collins novel is worthy of debate. - 10/01/2010 01:08:04 AM 1113 Views
I think you misunderstand my intent - 10/01/2010 01:10:57 AM 1147 Views
You poopyhead! - 10/01/2010 01:19:11 AM 1191 Views
Oh, I almost forgot - 10/01/2010 01:11:50 AM 1098 Views
Ooh...I'd love to hear them!!! What did Eco say to trash Dumas? *NM* - 10/01/2010 01:19:43 AM 415 Views
Here's the French translation from Eco's work on supermen - 10/01/2010 01:39:28 AM 1166 Views
I love it. Strangely enough, though, he wrote an introduction to the book. - 10/01/2010 01:54:24 AM 1027 Views
Not really strange as Eco has long been fascinated by this book - 11/01/2010 05:01:56 PM 1055 Views
Did he mention it in his book on ugliness? - 11/01/2010 05:12:55 PM 946 Views
Re: Did he mention it in his book on ugliness? - 11/01/2010 05:52:29 PM 1270 Views
I like Eco's distinction between light fiction and literature. - 12/01/2010 04:16:38 PM 1150 Views
Re: Here's the French translation from Eco's work on supermen - 11/01/2010 03:49:15 PM 1166 Views
That's fascinating. Of course, I disagree with Eco's praise. - 11/01/2010 05:12:25 PM 963 Views
Re: That's fascinating. Of course, I disagree with Eco's praise. - 11/01/2010 06:22:24 PM 1236 Views
I agree that abridging it would not work well. - 12/01/2010 04:06:26 PM 1129 Views
In which case... - 12/01/2010 05:22:34 PM 932 Views
Yes - 13/01/2010 07:56:08 PM 1216 Views
Not really. - 15/01/2010 01:18:10 PM 1363 Views
I think there are plenty of things that can be discussed. - 09/01/2010 10:00:06 PM 1304 Views
Discussed and put to rest in 5 minutes or less, perhaps. - 10/01/2010 01:17:02 AM 1156 Views
Depends on who you are, one would imagine. - 10/01/2010 08:16:11 AM 1218 Views
<pretentious>Well, why should we cater to the lowest common denominator? - 11/01/2010 02:17:03 AM 1111 Views
Heh. - 11/01/2010 07:49:47 AM 1019 Views
I'd laugh... - 11/01/2010 07:21:38 PM 900 Views
Tom is the primary reason I want an ignore feature again. - 12/01/2010 02:17:29 AM 945 Views
I'm glad to hear that. *NM* - 12/01/2010 04:17:30 PM 410 Views
And so you've reached this decision about Tom... - 18/01/2010 10:10:44 PM 1129 Views
I don't get that. Well, of course I do from Tom, but let's put him aside for this discussion. - 12/01/2010 03:35:21 AM 1210 Views
It's frustrating though... - 12/01/2010 04:18:37 AM 1174 Views
I think if you posted that (or something like it) people would reply to it. - 12/01/2010 05:08:53 AM 1177 Views
Perhaps. - 12/01/2010 05:26:38 AM 899 Views
Given the people who have read the Kushiel books, I think you'd be pleasantly surprised. - 12/01/2010 05:58:33 AM 962 Views
I was mostly just giving an example. - 12/01/2010 06:14:04 AM 1069 Views
You're not. - 12/01/2010 02:16:09 PM 1021 Views
Her next series sounds interesting - 12/01/2010 02:20:17 PM 891 Views
It does, but the reviews I've seen aren't too enthusiastic. - 12/01/2010 02:29:26 PM 941 Views
Yes, but how so? - 12/01/2010 02:39:59 PM 1034 Views
Well... - 13/01/2010 07:03:08 PM 1101 Views
Honestly... - 13/01/2010 07:51:14 PM 1100 Views
Absolutely. - 14/01/2010 12:55:00 PM 1230 Views
Re: Absolutely. - 14/01/2010 01:57:47 PM 1043 Views
ah i didn't realize it was already out - 13/01/2010 11:44:53 PM 864 Views
'tis. - 14/01/2010 12:56:11 PM 1261 Views
I really don't think it would. - 12/01/2010 07:49:32 AM 1093 Views
I have tried before. - 12/01/2010 01:59:24 PM 992 Views
That's bullshit - 12/01/2010 11:12:55 PM 1136 Views
True, true. - 16/01/2010 08:54:16 AM 841 Views
Luckily for you... - 16/01/2010 08:59:23 AM 1224 Views
Re: "Omigod you read light fantasy?" - 18/01/2010 10:04:41 PM 1293 Views
Har. *NM* - 18/01/2010 10:03:31 PM 595 Views
I'm quite enjoying it. - 09/01/2010 10:40:30 PM 1129 Views
A kid's book of adventure doesn't translate into a good book club discussion. - 10/01/2010 01:21:11 AM 970 Views
I have to agree - 11/01/2010 12:36:55 AM 1118 Views
How did you find deeper meaning (pun intended) in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea? *NM* - 11/01/2010 02:17:55 AM 420 Views
It was half bullshit, you must understand - 11/01/2010 03:59:42 PM 992 Views
Come on, there is lovely tragedy there... - 13/01/2010 07:32:49 PM 959 Views
I am pleased to be referenced in a cross-board discussion. *NM* - 18/01/2010 09:29:45 PM 564 Views

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