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An interesting quote from the book - does it jibe with your experience? Tashmere Send a noteboard - 29/01/2010 11:23:54 PM
While affecting to be deeply engaged in examining the ladder, the mind of Dantes was, in fact, busily occupied by the idea that a person so intelligent, ingenious, and clear-sighted as the abbe might probably be able to solve the dark mystery of his own misfortunes, where he himself could see nothing.

"What are you thinking of?" asked the abbe smilingly, imputing the deep abstraction in which his visitor was plunged to the excess of his awe and wonder.

"I was reflecting, in the first place," replied Dantes, "upon the enormous degree of intelligence and ability you must have employed to reach the high perfection to which you have attained. What would you not have accomplished if you had been free?"

"Possibly nothing at all; the overflow of my brain would probably, in a state of freedom, have evaporated in a thousand follies; misfortune is needed to bring to light the treasures of the human intellect. Compression is needed to explode gunpowder. Captivity has brought my mental faculties to a focus; and you are well aware that from the collision of clouds electricity is produced -- from electricity, lightning, from lightning, illumination."


That is how it works for me. I never hit my best until I am forced to by bad times. When things are smooth I tend to waste my time and be unable to do much of worth.

Like Samuel Johnson said, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it clarifies his mind wonderfully.


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The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas - Book Club now open! - 25/01/2010 10:54:37 PM 2870 Views
Le plot. - 25/01/2010 10:55:26 PM 1637 Views
Plot: demarcation, plan, complot... - 26/01/2010 11:48:19 PM 1807 Views
Les characters. - 25/01/2010 10:56:23 PM 1735 Views
The good, the bad and the ugly. - 26/01/2010 10:54:38 AM 1762 Views
Hmm. - 27/01/2010 03:58:31 PM 1691 Views
Re: Hmm. - 27/01/2010 04:59:12 PM 1722 Views
Re: Hmm. - 28/01/2010 01:40:34 PM 1667 Views
Re: Hmm. - 01/02/2010 12:49:06 PM 1905 Views
Why does the book have enduring appeal? - 25/01/2010 10:57:37 PM 1701 Views
Or rather, does this book share any traits in common with pornography? - 25/01/2010 11:14:01 PM 1849 Views
I think the revenge plot is actually fairly weak. - 26/01/2010 03:43:04 AM 1758 Views
Re: I think the revenge plot is actually fairly weak. - 26/01/2010 11:12:19 AM 1793 Views
In that case, the "release" is quite unsatisfying. - 27/01/2010 01:42:28 PM 1947 Views
Which is precisely part of what makes the book interesting - 27/01/2010 02:06:58 PM 1808 Views
Oh, and your point on revenge - that's just reading too much into the text. - 27/01/2010 02:16:05 PM 1642 Views
There is no such thing - 27/01/2010 02:18:46 PM 1681 Views
I fundamentally disagree with your post-modern take on the novel. - 27/01/2010 02:25:25 PM 1745 Views
It isn't a postmodern take on it - 27/01/2010 02:41:32 PM 1710 Views
Re: Which is precisely part of what makes the book interesting - 27/01/2010 03:40:36 PM 1700 Views
Maybe it's of the same importance as the Lost Symbol. - 27/01/2010 03:44:55 PM 1752 Views
If I ddin't know better, I might think you a trifle petulant - 27/01/2010 04:19:57 PM 1791 Views
I'm never petulant - 27/01/2010 04:55:56 PM 1641 Views
Re: Which is precisely part of what makes the book interesting - 27/01/2010 04:47:37 PM 1810 Views
I think one important question to ask is... - 26/01/2010 12:00:17 AM 1786 Views
I have read the abridged version a couple of times. I am reading the unabridged version this time. - 26/01/2010 03:25:50 AM 1752 Views
the potentially removable part... - 26/01/2010 11:24:16 AM 1773 Views
I have read both - 27/01/2010 01:37:00 AM 1799 Views
The abridged versus the unabridged - 28/01/2010 06:32:22 AM 1748 Views
Re: Why does the book have enduring appeal? - 27/01/2010 01:16:47 AM 1900 Views
Re: Why does the book have enduring appeal? - 30/01/2010 09:12:22 AM 1733 Views
Re: I got here too late, so I offer Umberto Eco's thoughts on the matter: - 22/02/2010 06:59:13 PM 1936 Views
I'm watching right back, Big Brother. *NM* - 25/01/2010 11:44:30 PM 900 Views
*NM* - 25/01/2010 11:45:27 PM 888 Views
The book was very childish. - 26/01/2010 03:05:01 AM 1883 Views
Granted, The Master and Margarita is also very much a fantasy book. *NM* - 26/01/2010 03:07:45 AM 932 Views
No, it really isn't. - 26/01/2010 03:10:08 AM 1767 Views
You know, this is a problem. - 26/01/2010 03:43:14 AM 1774 Views
There's really nothing I can say to this that Greg didn't just say above. - 26/01/2010 06:32:02 AM 1847 Views
People tend to forget one thing about Tolkien - 26/01/2010 01:36:06 PM 1715 Views
Re: No, it really isn't. - 26/01/2010 10:57:19 AM 1705 Views
I'll admit the only Lem I've read is Solaris... - 26/01/2010 01:52:02 PM 1792 Views
Read His Master's Voice - 26/01/2010 04:52:31 PM 1698 Views
You make some rather odd claims here, Tom - 27/01/2010 12:43:41 AM 1800 Views
You place undue importance on academic degrees. - 27/01/2010 01:19:40 AM 1778 Views
You misread totally what I said, I see... - 27/01/2010 01:52:59 AM 1682 Views
My claims are far from odd. In fact, they're quite common. - 27/01/2010 01:57:41 AM 1759 Views
In some circles; in others, they're rather antiquated nowadays - 27/01/2010 02:21:03 AM 1713 Views
If you were trying to write literature, wouldn't the label sting for you? - 27/01/2010 01:25:14 PM 1715 Views
I think it's easier to think of stories fitting into genre(s) than to think the same of authors - 27/01/2010 02:40:29 PM 1817 Views
Allow me to clarify: I'm talking about authors' reactions to their books being so labelled. - 27/01/2010 03:08:47 PM 1848 Views
But yet their reactions vary widely - 27/01/2010 11:33:25 PM 1720 Views
My fundamental premise is that genre has the most utility when applied to derivative fiction. - 28/01/2010 09:39:17 PM 1732 Views
And yet that term is mostly used as a non-loaded term that doesn't attempt to ascribe quality levels - 29/01/2010 02:49:20 AM 1645 Views
I like my definition of science fiction better than the one you quoted. - 29/01/2010 05:16:36 AM 1694 Views
I think estrangement is a key element, though - 30/01/2010 11:00:19 PM 1721 Views
I don't think estrangement is a necessary element. - 30/01/2010 11:47:07 PM 1818 Views
I mean it as a literary effect, that of creating a distance between text and reader - 31/01/2010 12:03:34 AM 1695 Views
Even if that's the meaning, I still disagree. - 03/02/2010 12:49:58 AM 1652 Views
Depends on how you view SF, I suppose - 03/02/2010 04:20:56 AM 1493 Views
I thought that was what we were mulling over - 03/02/2010 04:38:35 AM 1674 Views
True - 03/02/2010 05:11:19 AM 1615 Views
Nice tie-in! - 03/02/2010 01:55:33 PM 1696 Views
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The approve of this message. - 26/01/2010 03:34:49 AM 1764 Views
I'm not through it quite yet, but I do have a question - 26/01/2010 12:24:14 PM 1675 Views
Wait...you VOTED for this book? - 26/01/2010 01:41:00 PM 1729 Views
I honestly can't remember. - 26/01/2010 01:55:39 PM 1683 Views
Doctor Zhivago is one of the best novels ever written. - 26/01/2010 02:12:35 PM 1720 Views
Right, so now we all know that if we'd just listen to me more often, the world would be better. - 26/01/2010 02:20:56 PM 1689 Views
The problem was that the suggestions were generally not that good. - 26/01/2010 02:32:50 PM 1755 Views
Possession is not "purely a romance novel". - 26/01/2010 02:57:17 PM 1882 Views
Which basically proves my entire point. - 26/01/2010 03:00:20 PM 1753 Views
Which is purely a romance novel? - 26/01/2010 02:59:38 PM 1748 Views
Fair enough, it might be a bit tricky to discuss. *NM* - 26/01/2010 03:04:58 PM 889 Views
In your opinion - 26/01/2010 03:07:12 PM 1779 Views
Exactly why I avoid suggesting modern books - 26/01/2010 03:10:09 PM 1757 Views
You really are ignornant of what A.S. Byatt writes, aren't you? - 27/01/2010 12:51:00 AM 1734 Views
Oh, I fucking hate epistolary novels. Thank you for warning me. - 27/01/2010 02:00:34 AM 1629 Views
Ha! - 27/01/2010 02:22:00 AM 1701 Views
Perhaps I would like it. I still hate epistolary novels. - 27/01/2010 01:26:43 PM 1750 Views
Indeed. *NM* - 26/01/2010 02:01:22 PM 880 Views
It's funny because I think it's a question of taste level. - 26/01/2010 02:32:08 PM 1794 Views
Curious George is a tale of many layers, as told by Werner Herzog - 26/01/2010 02:34:27 PM 1858 Views
I don't care if this validates your opinion of me. - 29/01/2010 11:06:18 PM 1608 Views
On what basis? - 26/01/2010 02:51:40 PM 1775 Views
It's a children's book. Get over it. Democracy failed. - 26/01/2010 02:55:03 PM 1803 Views
Usually does, when those who know better keep silent. - 26/01/2010 02:57:54 PM 1703 Views
I didn't keep silent, though. - 26/01/2010 04:46:48 PM 1774 Views
You're ignoring what we've been discussing. - 27/01/2010 11:11:44 AM 1731 Views
Regarding comfort zones - 26/01/2010 05:08:50 PM 1798 Views
Camilla, let's be honest here... - 26/01/2010 05:40:08 PM 1845 Views
Re: Camilla, let's be honest here... - 26/01/2010 09:10:47 PM 1808 Views
If that's your goal, Camilla, you failed. - 27/01/2010 01:35:52 PM 1862 Views
Possibly - 27/01/2010 01:38:39 PM 1685 Views
I have not been ranting and raving. I've been highly critical of the book, with much justification. - 27/01/2010 01:45:05 PM 1721 Views
Re: I've been highly critical of the book, with much justification. - 27/01/2010 01:53:28 PM 1694 Views
I was wondering how long it would take for you to blame me and Greg. - 27/01/2010 02:26:12 PM 1857 Views
Don't you get it? We bring this place down. - 27/01/2010 02:42:32 PM 1689 Views
Re: I was wondering how long it would take for you to blame me and Greg. - 27/01/2010 02:43:11 PM 1706 Views
While that was not the intent, that is an added bonus. - 27/01/2010 02:48:47 PM 1700 Views
why is it a bonus? - 27/01/2010 02:52:58 PM 1656 Views
I said see above. You should have before the thought police, Rebekah, started to delete. - 27/01/2010 02:59:07 PM 1940 Views
I did - 27/01/2010 04:40:25 PM 1706 Views
Re: Regarding comfort zones - 27/01/2010 11:57:03 AM 1802 Views
Re: Regarding comfort zones - 27/01/2010 11:59:31 AM 1749 Views
Halfway - 27/01/2010 12:07:14 PM 1694 Views
Re: Halfway - 27/01/2010 12:09:02 PM 1717 Views
Re: The book was very childish. - 30/01/2010 09:56:29 PM 1724 Views
I read it in French - 30/01/2010 10:54:34 PM 1611 Views
So. I really liked it. - 26/01/2010 08:57:02 AM 1894 Views
Yes, fearless leader, this is where I stand. - 26/01/2010 11:04:23 PM 1690 Views
Re: Yes, fearless leader, this is where I stand. - 26/01/2010 11:49:03 PM 1755 Views
We were talking about this last night. - 27/01/2010 11:14:21 AM 1826 Views
Re: We were talking about this last night. - 27/01/2010 11:37:04 AM 1854 Views
If you do that, I'm posting on the deeper meaning of Dan Brown. - 27/01/2010 01:46:35 PM 1810 Views
Feel free to. - 27/01/2010 01:51:23 PM 1787 Views
Your post-modern take on the novel is shit, shit, shit. - 27/01/2010 02:28:56 PM 1716 Views
Re: Your post-modern take on the novel is shit, shit, shit. - 27/01/2010 02:45:41 PM 1786 Views
I'm not setting up a straw man. I'm challenging your touchy-feely approach. - 27/01/2010 03:15:00 PM 1617 Views
My touchy-feely approach? - 27/01/2010 05:09:04 PM 1711 Views
Yes...using passing references in the text to justify a deeper analysis. - 27/01/2010 05:16:10 PM 1714 Views
Doesn't touchy-feely mean that it is steeped in or based on emotion? - 27/01/2010 06:40:31 PM 1703 Views
I think between the two of you I agree more with Tom here. - 27/01/2010 07:01:08 PM 1671 Views
You summed up my reasons for using "touchy-feely" quite well. - 27/01/2010 07:27:45 PM 1707 Views
Glad to hear it. - 27/01/2010 07:39:20 PM 1562 Views
Re: I think between the two of you I agree more with Tom here. - 27/01/2010 08:29:32 PM 1746 Views
See my reply to Tom for clarification, then. - 27/01/2010 08:57:18 PM 1803 Views
Re: See my reply to Tom for clarification, then. - 27/01/2010 09:09:47 PM 1728 Views
Well, so what will it be? - 27/01/2010 09:14:53 PM 1645 Views
Er. Whose position are you arguing - mine or yours? - 27/01/2010 10:33:01 PM 1605 Views
Do it. I'd read that. - 27/01/2010 01:55:23 PM 1844 Views
Re: Do it. I'd read that. - 27/01/2010 02:10:04 PM 1732 Views
Right then. - 27/01/2010 02:15:04 PM 1688 Views
All righty, that's enough of that. For Tom, Greg, and... no, pretty much just you two. - 27/01/2010 04:33:00 PM 1776 Views
And ANOTHER THING - 27/01/2010 05:05:17 PM 1617 Views
Not everyone has finished reading it yet *NM* - 27/01/2010 05:12:10 PM 972 Views
Okay, so you'll get one or two stragglers in a week to a month. It changes nothing. - 27/01/2010 05:17:51 PM 1772 Views
Re: Okay, so you'll get one or two stragglers in a week to a month. It changes nothing. - 27/01/2010 06:41:11 PM 1742 Views
We are discussing this book. We're discussing its faults. - 27/01/2010 07:30:49 PM 1668 Views
In the interest of discussing Dumas' intentions... - 27/01/2010 08:03:24 PM 1833 Views
It was mildly interesting. - 27/01/2010 09:04:03 PM 1761 Views
I think you're misreading that... - 27/01/2010 10:18:11 PM 1818 Views
Re: We are discussing this book. We're discussing its faults. - 27/01/2010 08:30:19 PM 1804 Views
The text doesn't warrant "close attention" any more than Dan Brown's works do. - 27/01/2010 09:10:45 PM 1682 Views
fine. *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:12:44 PM 899 Views
Also, do you think a good book would have generated this level of discussion? Of course not. - 27/01/2010 05:21:45 PM 1721 Views
What discussion? - 27/01/2010 06:42:32 PM 1717 Views
I said that we couldn't discuss the book on its own terms. - 27/01/2010 07:35:32 PM 1819 Views
Which I still think we can. - 27/01/2010 08:35:35 PM 1692 Views
Perhaps you shouldn't be breaking things down at all. - 27/01/2010 09:06:59 PM 1782 Views
Re: Perhaps you shouldn't be breaking things down at all. - 27/01/2010 09:12:22 PM 1733 Views
You have yet to show any utility for breaking things down. - 27/01/2010 09:19:29 PM 1859 Views
I haven't tried to show any "utility" for it. - 01/02/2010 01:06:35 PM 1653 Views
I apologize if I'm part of the reason you feel ganged up on. - 27/01/2010 10:40:36 PM 1695 Views
Re: I apologize if I'm part of the reason you feel ganged up on. - 01/02/2010 12:56:03 PM 1655 Views
Deary me. - 27/01/2010 05:19:58 PM 1919 Views
By "respect" do you mean that you want me to drop my debates? - 27/01/2010 05:24:03 PM 1678 Views
Not at all. - 27/01/2010 05:35:34 PM 1826 Views
Okay, I'm cool with that. - 27/01/2010 05:44:54 PM 1814 Views
Thank you. - 27/01/2010 05:48:05 PM 2390 Views
Please ban me, then. - 27/01/2010 06:44:55 PM 1644 Views
Nods - 18/02/2010 05:06:44 PM 2157 Views
Oh man, I love this thread. *NM* - 28/01/2010 01:17:58 AM 874 Views
On the nature of the "Book Club" - 28/01/2010 09:23:23 PM 1590 Views
Any chance of seeing some shorter suggestions? - 28/01/2010 10:20:59 PM 1834 Views
Yes, shorter would be good. - 28/01/2010 10:23:28 PM 1656 Views
Oh i'm not complaining - 28/01/2010 10:33:48 PM 1671 Views
Sure sounded like it. - 28/01/2010 10:38:27 PM 1709 Views
No for reals, shorter is good. - 29/01/2010 01:08:26 AM 1700 Views
Absolutely. - 29/01/2010 03:33:15 AM 1647 Views
Agreed - 29/01/2010 11:26:34 AM 1687 Views
Well, you should have known better! - 29/01/2010 01:29:40 AM 1684 Views
I do. - 29/01/2010 08:31:30 PM 1685 Views
Thought you did - 29/01/2010 08:38:39 PM 1650 Views
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All I can say is The Master and Margarita better be one by March. WE WAS ROBBED. *NM* - 29/01/2010 02:31:48 AM 864 Views
That is the other one that I am considering. *NM* - 29/01/2010 03:32:02 AM 885 Views
I'll re-read Zhivago or Master if either is chosen - 29/01/2010 05:26:02 AM 1657 Views
Talk to me Ghavrel. - 30/01/2010 12:09:24 AM 1611 Views
Well, I haven't finished it yet. - 30/01/2010 02:21:08 AM 1673 Views
Re: On the nature of the "Book Club" - 29/01/2010 12:33:03 PM 1627 Views
I didn't read it for the Book Club - 29/01/2010 12:40:22 AM 1667 Views
Well I'm late to the party - 29/01/2010 06:21:18 AM 1663 Views
No, you're early - 01/02/2010 01:26:10 PM 1594 Views
I still have yet to see that discussion, Camilla. *NM* - 03/02/2010 12:46:24 AM 928 Views
A few comments - 04/02/2010 06:39:18 AM 1943 Views
If I kept you from participating, that's your fault. - 04/02/2010 01:01:46 PM 1625 Views
An interesting quote from the book - does it jibe with your experience? - 29/01/2010 11:23:54 PM 1682 Views
Sure. - 01/02/2010 03:23:59 PM 1658 Views

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