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Re: i mean the actual character of Arthur in the actual book. Camilla Send a noteboard - 10/04/2010 08:17:12 AM
Not one of his representations in a movie/other book. The actual Le Morte d'Artur (or however it's spelled).


Morte d'Artur was only written in the late 1400s. He is basing it on much older material.

Geoffrey of Monmouth's History of the Kings of Britain, from the 1130s, treats Arthur pretty much like any other warrior king conquering France. But he has no Lancelot (Mordred takes Guinevere as a wife, but there is no concept of courtly love). He did invent Merlin, though.

If you are going to go with "actual" book, though, that would be as close as you'd get. But the concept makes no sense when talking of Arthur. Monmouth most likely had a basis in older legend, and his story was further developed through several incarnations. We get Excalibur named in Wace' Roman Du Brut (1150s), who also introduces a more courtly mode and the idea of the round table.

Which brings it into the French court and Eleanor of Aquitaine and probably to the attention of Chretien de Troyes, who really develops the grail story.

And only after a round trip on the continent does it get to Malory.
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The greatest King in Fantasy Dannymac - 09/04/2010 05:18:42 AM 2232 Views
King Arthur. Hands down. Ghavrel - 09/04/2010 06:40:15 AM 1628 Views
I would argue with you. Dannymac - 09/04/2010 06:54:53 AM 1573 Views
That's the point, though. Arthur's humanity is what makes him so admirable. Ghavrel - 09/04/2010 06:59:07 AM 1616 Views
I have to agree with Dannymac LadyLorraine - 09/04/2010 02:04:44 PM 1587 Views
But he's not in a modern fantasy novel. Ghavrel - 09/04/2010 07:37:14 PM 1664 Views
when I read the actual book... LadyLorraine - 10/04/2010 12:08:21 AM 1610 Views
"The actual character"? Which of the countless different ones? *NM* Legolas - 10/04/2010 12:21:00 AM 766 Views
i mean the actual character of Arthur in the actual book. LadyLorraine - 10/04/2010 12:51:44 AM 1706 Views
There isn't an "actual book." Le Morte d'Arthur is a relatively early compilation of legends. *NM* Ghavrel - 10/04/2010 03:09:40 AM 798 Views
Re: i mean the actual character of Arthur in the actual book. Camilla - 10/04/2010 08:17:12 AM 1587 Views
I'm going with the most likely historical version of King Arthur RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/04/2010 06:45:26 PM 1669 Views
My money is still on Aragorn Camilla - 09/04/2010 12:47:43 PM 1709 Views
Aragorn is so awesome... LadyLorraine - 09/04/2010 02:05:42 PM 1557 Views
Arwen's character is just never fleshed out, though. Legolas - 09/04/2010 02:18:30 PM 1530 Views
Re: Arwen's character is just never fleshed out, though. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 02:49:45 PM 1594 Views
Hm nossy - 09/04/2010 03:23:53 PM 1662 Views
Mostly, yes, but there are a few exceptions - Galadriel, Eowyn, and above all Luthien. Legolas - 09/04/2010 03:32:00 PM 1537 Views
Re: Mostly, yes, but there are a few exceptions - Galadriel, Eowyn, and above all Luthien. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 03:45:37 PM 1812 Views
I can't agree about the goddesses. Legolas - 09/04/2010 04:34:15 PM 1645 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 04:55:34 PM 1533 Views
If Tacitus and Graves were accurate imlad - 09/04/2010 05:09:20 PM 1666 Views
Re: If Tacitus and Graves were accurate lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:26:43 PM 1564 Views
I rather liked her depiction in Rome. Legolas - 09/04/2010 05:34:37 PM 1638 Views
Re: I rather liked her depiction in Rome. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:45:06 PM 1702 Views
Re: I rather liked her depiction in Rome. Camilla - 10/04/2010 11:14:26 AM 1695 Views
I don't know if I'd call it bad, per se. Legolas - 10/04/2010 11:37:55 AM 1829 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:02:50 PM 1621 Views
Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. Legolas - 09/04/2010 05:31:42 PM 1586 Views
Re: Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:44:03 PM 1587 Views
Nienna, the Valier of Mercy, was single and a wanderer. She's not the most powerful, but... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/04/2010 06:55:23 PM 1632 Views
Re: Nienna, the Valier of Mercy, was single and a wanderer. She's not the most powerful, but... lyringlas - 09/04/2010 07:04:37 PM 1633 Views
thought of a better example: Arien the Maia of the Sun was single and far more powerful than Tilion RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/04/2010 09:17:34 PM 1873 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. imlad - 09/04/2010 05:06:49 PM 1736 Views
That was my first assumption too, but evidently not. *NM* Legolas - 09/04/2010 05:22:39 PM 731 Views
I changed it to Livia Augusta Sheesh, you people-- a guy mistypes one time!! *NM* lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:29:03 PM 806 Views
I call bullshit Camilla - 09/04/2010 08:09:49 PM 1536 Views
Re: I call bullshit lyringlas - 09/04/2010 08:31:16 PM 1542 Views
Re: I call bullshit Camilla - 10/04/2010 08:04:15 AM 1634 Views
I didn't realize it was fashionable to call Tolkien sexist. lyringlas - 10/04/2010 05:12:07 PM 1636 Views
Re: I didn't realize it was fashionable to call Tolkien sexist. Camilla - 12/04/2010 11:00:23 AM 1507 Views
Exactly. Comet Sedai - 13/04/2010 03:08:46 AM 1647 Views
Re: Exactly. Camilla - 13/04/2010 08:54:01 AM 1725 Views
I was going to say something similar. nossy - 09/04/2010 03:21:45 PM 1562 Views
Re: Aragorn is so awesome... Camilla - 09/04/2010 08:00:25 PM 1528 Views
Re: Aragorn is so awesome... lyringlas - 09/04/2010 08:37:12 PM 1570 Views
He's good, but then he just doesn't have to face so many things. Legolas - 09/04/2010 02:22:04 PM 1859 Views
Doesn't have to face many things? Camilla - 09/04/2010 07:59:27 PM 1611 Views
As in, there are many important aspects of being king he doesn't have to face. Legolas - 09/04/2010 08:07:16 PM 1594 Views
well technically speaking he WAS the king when he did all those things. LadyLorraine - 10/04/2010 12:15:26 AM 1584 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? lyringlas - 09/04/2010 08:38:51 PM 1459 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? Camilla - 10/04/2010 08:24:33 AM 1591 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? lyringlas - 10/04/2010 05:08:42 PM 1713 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? Camilla - 12/04/2010 10:55:12 AM 1571 Views
He really wasn't a king in majority of the story though random thoughts - 12/04/2010 05:54:23 PM 1532 Views
I'm sure there are many, but one coming to mind is Prince Josua from Memory, Sorrow and Thorn Legolas - 09/04/2010 02:23:57 PM 1560 Views
Oh yeah I liked him a lot *NM* ironclad - 09/04/2010 04:09:59 PM 788 Views
Josua Lackhand is a great fantasy King! imlad - 09/04/2010 05:14:39 PM 1613 Views
Arutha was never King. *NM* Myrdhyn - 09/04/2010 07:18:30 PM 749 Views
I'm going to go with a tie... Myrdhyn - 09/04/2010 04:22:42 PM 1559 Views
Rohan was a whiny hypocritical bitch who failed at the only real test of rulership he ever faced. Cannoli - 10/04/2010 02:51:34 AM 1657 Views
That actually slipped my mind. I can't believe that. Myrdhyn - 16/04/2010 04:44:46 PM 1697 Views
Joffrey and the Stag! *NM* Kotagg - 09/04/2010 09:53:56 PM 758 Views
ROFL *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/04/2010 11:39:36 PM 725 Views
Artur Hawkwing Cannoli - 10/04/2010 03:34:02 AM 1729 Views
Alexander the Great? *NM* Ghavrel - 10/04/2010 05:08:25 AM 763 Views
AH conquered more, did better, & was not a huge d-bag. Alex would have commissioned that big statue *NM* Cannoli - 12/04/2010 03:00:39 PM 761 Views
And both managed to have their so-called "empires" crumble within a year of their death. *NM* Ghavrel - 12/04/2010 06:12:20 PM 766 Views
Which just reinforces how awesome AH was - no one else could do what he did Cannoli - 13/04/2010 11:50:54 AM 1646 Views
??? Sidious - 10/04/2010 10:30:13 AM 2155 Views
Ta'veren is not a power, it is an accomodation with what the Pattern demands of certain people Cannoli - 12/04/2010 02:56:57 PM 1567 Views
Simba *NM* BlackAdder - 10/04/2010 08:40:38 AM 821 Views
Manwe Sidious - 10/04/2010 10:31:54 AM 2042 Views
Bah. He's hardly a character. *NM* AgentOrange - 12/04/2010 01:07:29 AM 913 Views
Arutha, the Prince of Krondor AgentOrange - 12/04/2010 01:06:14 AM 1633 Views
Westley Comet Sedai - 13/04/2010 02:59:36 AM 1607 Views
Leto Atreides II random thoughts - 13/04/2010 05:07:29 AM 1516 Views
I'll agree with that! *NM* imlad - 13/04/2010 11:33:10 AM 757 Views
What's the name of the Lemur-thing that's the King in "the penguins of madagascar"? He gets my vote! *NM* Mjolner - 14/04/2010 04:46:42 AM 819 Views
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