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I wasn't aware I'd made that statement. Joel Send a noteboard - 15/11/2010 02:25:27 PM
what with his slaves but objection to slavery...oh but he RELEASED them, right? well sorta...

Not being a paragon of virtue doesn't put your actions on the same level as bin Ladens though. Ones faults don't preclude any virtue at all, either. Jefferson was a human being and a sinner like the rest of us; I consider NO ONE on this planet a paragon of virtue, in case you forgot. Quote's still valid and good, however, with which I agree (plus it's great to use when atheists claim all the Founding Fathers were atheists, too, as if they WERE paragons we're obligated to emulate in every way. :P) The quoted observation didn't make Jefferson a saint, and owning slaves didn't make him a demon (you forgot to accuse him of raping Sally Hemmings, you're supposed to do that, too, remember? ;)) Doing both just makes him a human being, like all of us.
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Subversive Websites - 13/11/2010 10:49:15 PM 1274 Views
"Intended or serving to subvert, especially intended to overthrow or undermine an established govt". - 14/11/2010 01:44:14 AM 669 Views
Re: Gee, thanks dad! *NM* - 14/11/2010 01:32:32 PM 473 Views
Well, I'm hoping I simply disagree with your diction rather than your motives. - 14/11/2010 03:36:57 PM 738 Views
Re: No, you disagree with my motives. - 15/11/2010 01:06:54 AM 731 Views
The Founding Fathers of the US? - 15/11/2010 10:18:32 AM 740 Views
"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God". - 15/11/2010 01:15:33 PM 781 Views
I'm sure bin Laden completely agrees - 15/11/2010 01:32:53 PM 761 Views
When you give me an example of Jefferson murdering women and children that analogy will work. - 15/11/2010 01:49:04 PM 685 Views
yes because Jefferson was a PARAGON of virtue himself - 15/11/2010 02:17:58 PM 783 Views
I wasn't aware I'd made that statement. - 15/11/2010 02:25:27 PM 628 Views
nvm, I was going to argue but I have decided not to *NM* - 15/11/2010 07:46:42 PM 439 Views
So you are being completely subjective here? It is wrong, unless it is for a cause you support? *NM* - 15/11/2010 02:30:37 PM 361 Views
No, it's a question of precedence. - 15/11/2010 04:13:04 PM 645 Views
His analogy works very well, and you are still being subjective. - 15/11/2010 08:23:25 PM 878 Views
The precedence is inherent in the statement; that was Jeffersons point. - 15/11/2010 09:17:01 PM 834 Views
Re: The precedence is inherent in the statement; that was Jeffersons point. - 15/11/2010 10:52:40 PM 657 Views
I don't believe that at all. - 16/11/2010 12:08:26 AM 557 Views
Re: As I mentioned numerous times. - 16/11/2010 11:52:36 PM 743 Views
Re: As I mentioned numerous times. - 17/11/2010 01:34:29 AM 731 Views
No, its relevancy is difficult to grasp. - 16/11/2010 07:19:11 AM 830 Views
Maybe I just have an unusual perspective. - 16/11/2010 04:15:39 PM 800 Views
I didn't know they bombed a SCHOOL!!! - 16/11/2010 04:31:24 PM 673 Views
Please. If there were any soldiers in the WTC on 911 it was coincidental. - 16/11/2010 04:40:51 PM 700 Views
perhaps, but not all important targets are military targets. - 16/11/2010 04:57:20 PM 849 Views
Not all important targets are LEGITIMATE targets either. - 16/11/2010 05:06:11 PM 672 Views
I don't wish one, but I hate sidebars - 16/11/2010 05:09:33 PM 717 Views
All about priorities; your call. - 16/11/2010 10:33:53 PM 631 Views
That's so many hours of my life I'll never get back. - 16/11/2010 10:41:55 PM 727 Views
This your first time on the CMB? - 16/11/2010 11:18:03 PM 673 Views
No, NOW I know what's going on! - 16/11/2010 04:36:04 PM 811 Views
Still doesn't work. - 16/11/2010 04:50:58 PM 810 Views
Those last sentences are going way overboard. - 16/11/2010 05:08:40 PM 680 Views
Terrorism is inexcusable and indefensible, but at least there's a LOGIC to it. - 16/11/2010 05:21:15 PM 770 Views
First of all, your generalizations were misguided. - 16/11/2010 05:40:55 PM 778 Views
Of course I disagree, but that's a different and older debate. - 16/11/2010 11:10:23 PM 933 Views
I will try to be brief. Try. - 16/11/2010 11:28:28 PM 732 Views
Heh. - 16/11/2010 11:55:40 PM 687 Views
mostly agree - 16/11/2010 11:18:14 PM 627 Views
. . . and now I'm thinking you're the one willfully misunderstanding. - 16/11/2010 05:36:15 PM 708 Views
Not willful, at least. - 17/11/2010 12:29:42 AM 676 Views
sorry - 16/11/2010 11:24:44 PM 728 Views
Well, you know what I was going on about, if that helps? *NM* - 16/11/2010 11:25:18 PM 420 Views
"Subversion" has the connotation of treason, however wrongly. - 15/11/2010 01:32:06 PM 752 Views
Re: Non-sequitur, non-sequitur, CAPS LOCK, opinion, CAPS LOCK. - 15/11/2010 10:45:41 PM 584 Views
Either my mind moves much faster than ya'lls, or ya'll are deliberately missing the point. - 16/11/2010 12:05:28 AM 768 Views
I am curious. - 16/11/2010 01:10:52 AM 607 Views
Argggh, ya got me! - 16/11/2010 05:11:41 PM 616 Views
the dictionary has -nia and -iums. - 16/11/2010 05:16:32 PM 711 Views
I prefer "millennia" but recall someone telling me that's not technically right. - 16/11/2010 05:32:34 PM 648 Views
well, in American English, they're apparantly both "correct" *NM* - 16/11/2010 06:13:40 PM 459 Views
In American English, almost anything is. - 17/11/2010 01:02:15 AM 758 Views
It is right. It's the one thing that's easy in Latin and Greek declensions. - 16/11/2010 06:33:12 PM 683 Views
You call then "neutral" over there? Interesting. *NM* - 16/11/2010 06:42:00 PM 456 Views
Neutral, neutrum, neuter, whatever. Details. *NM* - 16/11/2010 06:45:29 PM 408 Views
Do only neuter words end in -um? - 16/11/2010 06:57:39 PM 738 Views
Yes. I think so, anyway - been a good while since I had Latin. - 16/11/2010 07:12:09 PM 719 Views
Thanks. Maybe that's what I'm remembering. - 16/11/2010 07:17:05 PM 695 Views
IIRC, the number of "n"s was the issue. - 17/11/2010 01:06:24 AM 721 Views
Should definitely be two. *NM* - 17/11/2010 01:48:51 AM 374 Views
Ah, thanks. - 17/11/2010 02:08:08 AM 718 Views
Silly laptops.... - 16/11/2010 05:32:34 PM 806 Views
- 16/11/2010 05:35:22 PM 640 Views
I'm horrible about using "conjugate" as a blanket term. - 17/11/2010 01:09:34 AM 762 Views
I'm definitely missing the point. - 16/11/2010 06:58:17 AM 734 Views
Well, hopefully we've cleared things up now. *MN* - 16/11/2010 05:30:46 PM 743 Views
I don't know if it qualifies as subversive... - 14/11/2010 02:47:34 AM 849 Views
Re: That's not bad. - 14/11/2010 01:38:02 PM 710 Views
The Chap - 14/11/2010 01:58:27 PM 614 Views
Thanks. - 14/11/2010 03:04:49 PM 710 Views
All my subversive websites are religious. - 15/11/2010 02:26:42 AM 667 Views
Re: I'm certainly interested. - 15/11/2010 03:37:11 AM 693 Views
Well, okay then. - 15/11/2010 04:23:35 AM 762 Views
Some stuff I think is pretty neat: - 15/11/2010 07:24:41 PM 780 Views
Re: Noice, noice. - 15/11/2010 11:01:31 PM 713 Views
That first link is really good. - 15/11/2010 11:18:25 PM 807 Views
Re: Ha! - 16/11/2010 11:55:42 PM 612 Views
Re: Also, I like your poems. *NM* - 17/11/2010 01:02:27 AM 401 Views
Re: Dude. - 20/11/2010 02:14:38 AM 763 Views
you mean besides this one? *NM* - 15/11/2010 07:55:03 PM 307 Views
Re: I AM NOT SUBVERTING NEBHEAD!! - 15/11/2010 11:02:10 PM 713 Views
Re: William Faulkner would be unhappy with my thread. - 16/11/2010 08:29:42 PM 675 Views
My work here is done. - 16/11/2010 08:34:22 PM 629 Views
Re: Yes, it's fairly obvious that you need to respond. *NM* - 16/11/2010 11:40:10 PM 436 Views
I often wish I didn't. - 17/11/2010 01:49:33 AM 597 Views
I'm calling you out on this one. - 18/11/2010 12:06:17 AM 666 Views
It's not perfect, but it's the lesser of many evils, IMHO. - 18/11/2010 01:12:43 AM 699 Views
You people with your words. - 16/11/2010 08:34:17 PM 803 Views
. - 16/11/2010 08:54:22 PM 586 Views
Re: I still say we should start a band. - 20/11/2010 02:42:48 AM 719 Views
Re: Man, that attack on Cameron is brutal. *NM* - 20/11/2010 02:47:12 AM 385 Views
Re: Awesome. - 16/11/2010 11:38:29 PM 720 Views

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