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Agreed. Joel Send a noteboard - 14/05/2011 01:17:45 AM
The point is that being a woman is not a sin (though some Biblical passages here and there might make you wonder about that), but a man who has sex with another man is clearly and unambiguously committing a sin, according to the Bible. If the man is a priest, and claims that there is nothing wrong with this behavior, then you have an issue. It's no different, if one accepts the Bible (particularly in a sola sriptura doctrinal background), than if a murderer were a priest and continued to murder, unrepentant and without remorse.

It's disappointing that that's so difficult to see. I truly wish I'd seen a convincing argument to the contrary, but haven't. We can twist and torture passages to create a theroetical basis to question whether the many textual prohibitions were meant for all time, but the possibility still seems rather remote. I'm not so hubristic that I'd argue practicing homosexuals be "excommunicated", but the hubris of saying God has suddenly condoned something the Church has categorically opposed since centuries before the Crucifixion (and the critic coincidentally to practices) strikes me as a bar to the priesthood.
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Presbyterian Church (USA) passes Amendment 10-A. Dannymac - 11/05/2011 05:39:29 PM 1430 Views
*NM* Sareitha Sedai - 11/05/2011 06:10:26 PM 318 Views
I am happy to see this. *NM* Ghavrel - 11/05/2011 07:22:59 PM 365 Views
Homosexuals must die! Dark Knight - 11/05/2011 08:25:25 PM 1096 Views
I agree! This sort of behavior can NOT be excused!!! LadyLorraine - 11/05/2011 10:38:16 PM 741 Views
Yay!!. Amys - 11/05/2011 10:38:51 PM 990 Views
Glad to hear it. *NM* Legolas - 11/05/2011 10:46:39 PM 414 Views
Well done. *NM* Camilla - 11/05/2011 11:07:22 PM 362 Views
What's the language? Did they at least TRY to give a doctrinal justification? Joel - 12/05/2011 02:10:46 AM 971 Views
Thank you for that rousing argument against married priests. Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 03:36:51 AM 913 Views
Why ARE you letting women into the priesthood? Tom - 12/05/2011 04:16:50 AM 857 Views
Because Episcopalians don't listen to the Bible much. Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 05:47:03 AM 802 Views
That's just fine as far as I'm concerned Tom - 12/05/2011 02:23:44 PM 812 Views
Yes, I suppose a church could go that route. Ghavrel - 14/05/2011 07:38:02 AM 768 Views
I'm not attempting to impose a dichotomy on the Bible. Tom - 14/05/2011 03:25:30 PM 841 Views
I don't even know what following the Bible in its entirety means. Ghavrel - 14/05/2011 09:09:10 PM 1011 Views
As an exercise, I tried to think of how I would justify allowing homosexuals as clergy. Tom - 14/05/2011 04:19:43 PM 820 Views
Wow. Joel - 20/05/2011 10:15:21 AM 842 Views
Thanks (I'm actually OK with women priests though). Joel - 12/05/2011 07:09:11 AM 897 Views
It's more a question of interpretational standards. Tom - 12/05/2011 02:29:43 PM 781 Views
Agreed. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:17:45 AM 855 Views
There's ample precedent for female religious leaders, even within the bible. Joel - 12/05/2011 06:51:05 AM 929 Views
Since when is Moses' society the be-all end all? Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:12:41 PM 798 Views
Since never, which is why I referenced five other eras you completely ignored. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:11:30 AM 904 Views
They did so, via negativa. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:22:17 PM 952 Views
Sorry for the delay, particularly since it looks like I'll be spending a fair amount of time here. Joel - 14/05/2011 12:31:33 AM 757 Views
Your church has a constitution?! Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 03:36:41 AM 819 Views
My Church has a congress! *NM* Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 03:37:52 AM 401 Views
Haha no way! *NM* Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 03:46:32 AM 354 Views
Well, we have one group of laity and one of bishops, so it is only mildy utter chaos. *NM* Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 05:51:09 AM 397 Views
We have a General Assembly and a Moderator. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:18:34 PM 910 Views
I had no idea the US was based on that system. Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 06:22:58 PM 746 Views
It is pretty common practice random thoughts - 12/05/2011 06:54:02 PM 782 Views
Oh I'm sure it is with newer churches. Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 10:49:11 PM 837 Views
I'm happy to hear this, personally. I also wonder how you reconcile this with the Bible. Tom - 12/05/2011 04:11:31 AM 1006 Views
Every direct reference to homosexuality in the Bible is a reference to rape. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:12:43 PM 837 Views
Every single word that you wrote in your response is complete bullshit. Tom - 12/05/2011 05:50:07 PM 965 Views
Knock off your eisegesis, try some exegesis Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:02:45 PM 883 Views
I'm trying to figure out just what your "gifts" are, because I don't see any. Tom - 12/05/2011 07:30:39 PM 852 Views
There are cases in which hypocrisy is far better than the alternatives. Legolas - 12/05/2011 10:04:32 PM 927 Views
Hypocrisy is better than, say, setting gays on fire, yes. Tom - 12/05/2011 10:10:40 PM 902 Views
My statement is that, from a pragmatic point of view, hypocrisy shouldn't be discouraged too much. Legolas - 13/05/2011 10:05:39 PM 900 Views
I strongly and vehemently disagree with your position. Tom - 13/05/2011 10:21:10 PM 769 Views
Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? Dannymac - 13/05/2011 06:29:31 PM 855 Views
Re: Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? Jacob - 13/05/2011 07:02:35 PM 827 Views
I'm not playing. I'm pointing out some glaring errors on your part. Tom - 13/05/2011 07:25:08 PM 751 Views
Danny will correct me if I'm wrong, but... Legolas - 13/05/2011 09:55:14 PM 958 Views
Danny persistently refuses to say that Tom - 13/05/2011 10:13:55 PM 884 Views
And with respect to your textual point, once again you're wrong Tom - 12/05/2011 07:44:10 PM 973 Views
The Bible says what it says. The problem... people like to tell us just what else it's saying. Jacob - 13/05/2011 05:31:29 PM 816 Views
You're a fucking moron. *NM* Dan - 15/05/2011 11:11:08 PM 387 Views
You make a very important but too often overlooked point. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:54:40 AM 905 Views
??? the bible was harsher on homosexulaity than on rape random thoughts - 12/05/2011 06:56:43 PM 813 Views
Read Judges. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:17:29 PM 816 Views
You don't reconcile... you pick the parts you like and adjust the rest to suit you. TaskmasterJack - 13/05/2011 09:33:54 PM 749 Views
And you add in some New Age music and a little ankh as well *NM* Tom - 14/05/2011 02:35:27 AM 366 Views
Another example... Bramhodoulos - 12/05/2011 09:19:52 AM 751 Views
That's what people said about churches opposing slavery. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:06:26 PM 806 Views
I rest my case *NM* Bramhodoulos - 12/05/2011 04:48:32 PM 351 Views
That is a false dichotomy and we both know it. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:07:19 AM 803 Views
If you claim to follow the entire Bible, then you are completely correct. Tom - 12/05/2011 06:04:38 PM 750 Views
On the contrary, this move will take some butts out of the seats. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:16:22 PM 789 Views
We both know that isn't the case Tom - 12/05/2011 07:55:41 PM 893 Views
Whatever your issue is, get over it. Dannymac - 13/05/2011 06:17:26 PM 768 Views
You'd be a lot more effective... Jacob - 13/05/2011 06:45:31 PM 871 Views
You haven't adequately expressed your theology Tom - 13/05/2011 07:28:54 PM 867 Views
Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels beetnemesis - 12/05/2011 05:33:49 PM 855 Views
No Protestant denomination has added so much as a word to the Bible Tom - 12/05/2011 05:58:16 PM 727 Views
So, everyone hates Judith, then? beetnemesis - 12/05/2011 06:40:11 PM 803 Views
The Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Churches accept Judith as part of Scripture. Tom - 12/05/2011 07:51:27 PM 767 Views
Does the Eastern Orthodox Church also segregate deuterocanonical works like Roman Catholicism does? Joel - 14/05/2011 02:19:03 AM 1078 Views
The Eastern Church bases everything on the Septuagint. Tom - 14/05/2011 02:34:41 AM 817 Views
That sounds appealing, and makes sense. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:44:56 AM 833 Views
Oh, I just enjoy calling Protestants "heretics" to remind them not everyone agrees with them. Tom - 14/05/2011 03:25:42 AM 779 Views
Oh, but they know that; in many cases, they exult in it. Joel - 14/05/2011 06:06:01 AM 783 Views
Re: Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels Isaac - 12/05/2011 08:52:48 PM 802 Views
The NIV is terrible. The NASB has the best translation I have found (of the NT, at least). Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 10:43:58 PM 941 Views
I find this really weird, to be honest beetnemesis - 13/05/2011 05:48:28 AM 813 Views
Well, it wasn't just Athanasius. But yes, we are lucky in that respect. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/05/2011 06:32:48 AM 337 Views
Athanasius's list reflected the victory of Pauline Christianity Tom - 13/05/2011 02:52:53 PM 766 Views
There's a school of thought that says that's a strong vindication of Athanasius. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:37:49 AM 728 Views
Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... Isaac - 13/05/2011 07:14:01 PM 768 Views
Re: Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... Dannymac - 15/05/2011 03:18:23 PM 1171 Views
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