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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Tom Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM
It seems that people have more and more difficulty with logic these days. I just interacted with a Facebook friend who posted a Zeitgeist-style montage about September 11 that uses inductive reasoning to lead the viewer to infer that 9/11 was an inside job. Yes, we've heard this rubbish before.

The interesting thing is that there was not one positive fact to support what the video was implying. It was just a string of false statements, mischaracterizations and warping of the truth to present a skewed view of what happened. "Are we really supposed to believe 19 guys with boxcutters led by a dialysis patient in a cave managed to..." is how it starts.

Of course, Zeitgeist was a bit more sophisticated. It just lied to the viewer and presented the lies as "facts". That it became as popular as it did is a testament to a failure of critical reasoning rather than logic. People accept things told to them as "facts" as true (unless, of course, the person is anti-American and the facts are presented in mainstream media sources; the flip side is also true, cf. "death panels").

However, this reminded me of Camilla's post about the Jewish professor who was pilloried for trying to discuss the difference between valid and invalid opinions.

I think the Internet is drastically reducing the critical thinking and logic skills for a great number of people. This site is perhaps an exception, as people are far more careful in their arguments, but a cursory review of the comments at CNN, the BBC, the Guardian or (shudder) Twitter will show a mass of ignorance, unbroken by even the faintest hint of actual intelligence.

Seriously, let's push for logic classes. Teach Euler circles, Occam's Razor, sets, Hell - drag Star Trek into the classroom and find examples of Spock using logic in the series (as opposed to just categorizing something as "illogical" or "highly illogical"). We need logic in the Internet age, and we need it badly.
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1504 Views
Logic classes would be good in schools. - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 1007 Views
Ugh. - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 1048 Views
Re: Ugh. - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 986 Views
this is a controlled demolition - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 1099 Views
That is an incredibly stupid argument. - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 1042 Views
Asking questions is never wrong. - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 931 Views
Re: Asking questions is never wrong. - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 1101 Views
Agreed - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 966 Views
There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 1031 Views
No, there is not. - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 1145 Views
Well, the circumstances were odd at least - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 1014 Views
As far as conspiracies go ... - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 1108 Views
what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 912 Views
I'm not sure you got my gist. - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 968 Views
I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 978 Views
Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 1075 Views
Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 1012 Views
But that's what I DID argue. - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 1015 Views
sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 1058 Views
I've always seen them as separate. - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 862 Views
and that is why I decided to drop it - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 1024 Views
Heh. - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 985 Views
And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 1103 Views
I'm still annoyed. - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 901 Views
Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so. - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 940 Views
In addition: - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 1121 Views
sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 1032 Views
This is very frustrating. - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 987 Views
For the war on terror? - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 1039 Views
And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 989 Views
That contradicts the evidence. - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 1015 Views
Excuse me? - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 1069 Views
Huh? - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 1045 Views
the problem with any other theory is the make no sense - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 980 Views
Contemplate this.... - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 1004 Views
You just did not go Star Trek on me - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 1021 Views
And how did you know... - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 1079 Views
Re: And how did you know... - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 1080 Views
humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 941 Views
Won't help - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 1014 Views
Make 'em all take debate. - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 971 Views
Would madam like a cane? - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 1102 Views
Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 464 Views
Do you think it would help? - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 966 Views
Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 1001 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 973 Views
Not actually the best example - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 978 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 981 Views
Wouldn't make much difference - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 999 Views
OK thanks *NM* - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 521 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 1013 Views
But how else would they fall down? - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 893 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 1025 Views
You could still argue. - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 916 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 928 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 1003 Views
Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 923 Views
I love geometry proofs. - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 1076 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 545 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 960 Views
+1 *NM* - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 443 Views
Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 1199 Views
Ha. Ha. - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 1002 Views
As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 1165 Views

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