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OK thanks *NM* random thoughts Send a noteboard - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM
If the exterior of the building was supplying most of the structural strength for the building then cutting a wide narrow gash in the side would significantly weaken the structure. The kinetic energy of the plane may not have had much of affect on the total mass of the building but it could have had a large impact on the section it hit. The kinetic energy of an ax is nothing compared to a tree but it is concentrated to one area it will bring the tree down.

You take the whole top 20 floors of a 100 story build and smash them up into rubble the lower 80 are still holding the same amount of weight, of course if you dump all that rubble on one spot of floor on floor 79 it's likely to fall through to 78 and carry that weight plus the floor down to 77 and so on, smashing and damaging as it goes, but that's another story. Whacking at the top of a tree with an ax generally will not knock it over. That's not to say the strike and accompanying damage weren't a factor, or that supports which might otherwise be fairly insulated from melting might not get exposed more directly through cracks from the strike, but I couldn't see it making much difference. I think people over complicate this, grab an old roof antenna or something else metal with lots of bits or spokes or whatever, and hang weight off it, non flammable weight, it sags a bit and stabilizes, now pour rubbing alcohol of kerosene on it and light it up, it will sag more and at a certain point bits are likely to snap off, then smack other bits on the way down and snap them off. Wrapping it up stone or whatever helps keeps the burning fuel off the metal but a good smack might open cracks for it to get in, and even without that, insulation generally works both ways, so to speak.

It's entirely possible that without all the broken windows, since those would have been sturdy material themselves, a fire couldn't have gotten air fast enough to heat the building up, I mean you need a god awful lot of oxygen to run a fire big and hot enough to do that, honestly off the top of my head I'd guess that breaking all those windows - along with delivery the fuel - were the only two real significant 'impacts' of the planes impact... however I am not an engineer or architect, so grain of salt and all. You figure as maybe previous fires in skyscrapers, Towering Inferno and all, probably contained enough flammable material in terms of raw heat production to parallel several thousand pounds of jet fuel but just couldn't get enough air to burn it fast enough to melt supports, couldn't really say.
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1465 Views
Logic classes would be good in schools. - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 986 Views
Ugh. - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 1021 Views
Re: Ugh. - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 959 Views
this is a controlled demolition - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 1076 Views
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and that is why I decided to drop it - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 1001 Views
Heh. - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 949 Views
And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 1076 Views
I'm still annoyed. - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 871 Views
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In addition: - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 1086 Views
sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 1014 Views
This is very frustrating. - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 963 Views
For the war on terror? - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 1016 Views
And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 965 Views
That contradicts the evidence. - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 983 Views
Excuse me? - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 1045 Views
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Contemplate this.... - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 980 Views
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And how did you know... - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 1058 Views
Re: And how did you know... - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 1057 Views
humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 910 Views
Won't help - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 995 Views
Make 'em all take debate. - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 950 Views
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Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 452 Views
Do you think it would help? - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 944 Views
Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 982 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 943 Views
Not actually the best example - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 945 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 959 Views
Wouldn't make much difference - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 972 Views
OK thanks *NM* - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 504 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 991 Views
But how else would they fall down? - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 864 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 1008 Views
You could still argue. - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 892 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 905 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 980 Views
Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 901 Views
I love geometry proofs. - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 1029 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 501 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 938 Views
+1 *NM* - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 431 Views
Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 1166 Views
Ha. Ha. - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 958 Views
As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 1141 Views

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