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And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? random thoughts Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM

There has to be a deeper plot than we just wanted to declare war on terror. There has to be a goal that would be accomplished by this war on terror that would be worth the risk of getting caught attacking the American people. Think about the fallout if a government group was found to be responsible, it could end the government as we know it. Watergate would be an honest mistake in comparison and the Trail of Tears would humane.

What was the real goal? I have trouble buying the argument that they felt terrorism was such a grave threat that they had to pull off an attack more devastating that the terrorist were able to accomplish in order to spur the country to action and keep the terrorist from pulling off a devastating attack. Sounds good if you are writing Catch 22 part 2 but not much goos beyond that.

The argument that since their was a strong reaction to being attacked the group attacked must have planned it order to provoke a strong reaction may sound like solid thinking but without any actually evidence to support it all you have is tinfoil hat crazy.

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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1465 Views

Logic classes would be good in schools. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 986 Views

Ugh. Ghavrel - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 1021 Views

Re: Ugh. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 959 Views

Something tells me that no matter who answered your questions you wouldn't believe anyway. everynametaken - 21/09/2011 02:16:52 AM 938 Views

this is a controlled demolition Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 1076 Views

That is an incredibly stupid argument. Tom - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 1003 Views

I've seen controlled demolitions in person. They happen in the opposite order of the WTC collapses. Ghavrel - 21/09/2011 03:54:35 AM 1019 Views

Asking questions is never wrong. ironclad - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 907 Views

Re: Asking questions is never wrong. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 1081 Views

Agreed Camilla - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 946 Views

I've long advocated this for the reasons Tom states as well as others. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:49:28 AM 882 Views

I don't know if the Internet is degrading skills, or just giving stupid people a voice beetnemesis - 20/09/2011 02:33:24 PM 1027 Views

There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 1007 Views

No, there is not. Tom - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 1113 Views

Well, the circumstances were odd at least Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 985 Views

As far as conspiracies go ... Nate - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 1078 Views

what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 882 Views

I'm not sure you got my gist. Nate - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 940 Views

I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 955 Views

Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. Nate - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 1031 Views

Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 989 Views

But that's what I DID argue. Nate - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 973 Views

sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 1024 Views

I've always seen them as separate. Nate - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 837 Views

and that is why I decided to drop it random thoughts - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 1001 Views

Heh. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 949 Views

And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 1076 Views

I'm still annoyed. Nate - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 871 Views

I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM 882 Views

Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so.

Joel - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 917 Views

and I pointed that it was was just continuin gthe Clinton policy random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:30:13 PM 956 Views

Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM 1004 Views

In addition: Nate - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 1086 Views

sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 1013 Views

This is very frustrating. Nate - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 963 Views

For the war on terror? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 1016 Views

And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 965 Views

That contradicts the evidence. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 982 Views

Excuse me? Macharius - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 1045 Views

Huh? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 1024 Views

the problem with any other theory is the make no sense random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 952 Views

Contemplate this.... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 979 Views

You just did not go Star Trek on me

Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 999 Views

And how did you know... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 1058 Views

Re: And how did you know... Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 1056 Views

You should watch the pilot episode of the X-Files spin-off series The Lone Gunmen. TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 08:19:15 PM 1024 Views

humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 910 Views

Won't help Praziquantel - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 995 Views

Make 'em all take debate. nossy - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 950 Views

Would madam like a cane? Elaine - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 1082 Views

Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 452 Views

Do you think it would help? aerocontrols - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 944 Views

Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 982 Views

Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Tom - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 943 Views

Not actually the best example Isaac - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 945 Views

what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? random thoughts - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 958 Views

Wouldn't make much difference Isaac - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 972 Views

OK thanks *NM* random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 503 Views

The fireproofing was scraped off the steel by the crash, so the beams melted. Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:35:08 PM 1160 Views

Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 991 Views

But how else would they fall down? Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 864 Views

You would force Euler on to the masses? Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 1008 Views

You could still argue. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 891 Views

I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person

Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 905 Views

Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 980 Views

Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 901 Views

I love geometry proofs. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 1029 Views

Me too

<3 proofs! *NM* LaSombra - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 501 Views

For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 937 Views

+1 *NM* Isaac - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 431 Views

Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. jh - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 1165 Views

Ha. Ha. Vivien - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 958 Views

As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. Tom - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 1141 Views

I really and truly appreciate your love of pure math for math's sake, but... Tom - 21/09/2011 11:10:03 PM 929 Views

Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone Isaac - 21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM 954 Views

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There has to be a deeper plot than we just wanted to declare war on terror. There has to be a goal that would be accomplished by this war on terror that would be worth the risk of getting caught attacking the American people. Think about the fallout if a government group was found to be responsible, it could end the government as we know it.  Watergate would be an honest mistake in comparison and the Trail of Tears would humane.

What was the real goal? I have trouble buying the argument that they felt terrorism was such a grave threat that they had to pull off an attack more devastating that the terrorist were able to accomplish in order to spur the country to action and keep the terrorist from pulling off a devastating attack.  Sounds good if you are writing Catch 22 part 2 but not much goos beyond that.

The argument that since their was a strong reaction to being attacked the group attacked must have planned it order to provoke a strong reaction may sound like solid thinking but without any actually evidence to support it all you have is tinfoil hat crazy. 
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