Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank.
Joel Send a noteboard - 21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM
The Clinton who was president not the Clinton who voted for the war before she voted against, just to be clear.
This was the guy, after all, who criticized Clinton committing troops to conflicts with no clear mission or exit strategy, and pledged on the campaign trail to end the "nation building" that, with the complete desolation of the strongest economy in world history, is his legacy. However, since there's extensive White House documentation that Bush and Co. were actively and aggressively seeking, not just to remove Saddam, but to take control of Iraq and its oil reserves, I see no way reasonable way to argue it's even true. Further, none of that excuses White House efforts to tie Saddam to 911, or GOP Congressmen who accused Clinton of reducing our military preparedness and trying to distract from domestic problems with expensive and unnecessary action against a harmless Saddam. Even though NOTHING had changed those same Congressmen repudiated each of their own original objections one by one during the stampede toward for war with Iraq; Democrats don't get a pass for spinelessly laying down in the face of that, but the primary fault does not lie with those who simply failed to oppose Republican madness more strongly.
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This message last edited by Joel on 21/09/2011 at 05:46:43 PM
We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools.
- 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM
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Logic classes would be good in schools.
- 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM
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Ugh.
- 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM
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Re: Ugh.
- 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM
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Something tells me that no matter who answered your questions you wouldn't believe anyway.
- 21/09/2011 02:16:52 AM
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this is a controlled demolition
- 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM
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I've seen controlled demolitions in person. They happen in the opposite order of the WTC collapses.
- 21/09/2011 03:54:35 AM
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Agreed
- 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM
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I've long advocated this for the reasons Tom states as well as others.
- 21/09/2011 06:49:28 AM
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I don't know if the Internet is degrading skills, or just giving stupid people a voice
- 20/09/2011 02:33:24 PM
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There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed
- 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM
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No, there is not.
- 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM
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Well, the circumstances were odd at least
- 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM
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As far as conspiracies go ...
- 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM
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what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid?
- 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM
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I'm not sure you got my gist.
- 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM
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I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11
- 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM
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Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence.
- 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM
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Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed
- 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM
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But that's what I DID argue.
- 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM
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sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms
- 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM
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I've always seen them as separate.
- 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM
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And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member.
- 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM
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I'm still annoyed.
- 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM
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I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate
- 21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM
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and I pointed that it was was just continuin gthe Clinton policy
- 21/09/2011 02:30:13 PM
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Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank.
- 21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM
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In addition:
- 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM
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Contemplate this....
- 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM
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You just did not go Star Trek on me
- 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM
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- 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM
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You should watch the pilot episode of the X-Files spin-off series The Lone Gunmen.
- 20/09/2011 08:19:15 PM
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Make 'em all take debate.
- 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM
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Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools.
- 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM
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Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...?
- 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM
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Not actually the best example
- 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM
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what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building?
- 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM
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The fireproofing was scraped off the steel by the crash, so the beams melted.
- 21/09/2011 07:35:08 PM
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Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...?
- 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM
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You would force Euler on to the masses?
- 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM
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You could still argue.
- 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM
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I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person
- 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM
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- 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM
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Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math.
- 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM
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Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid.
- 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM
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I really and truly appreciate your love of pure math for math's sake, but...
- 21/09/2011 11:10:03 PM
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Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone
- 21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM
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