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That contradicts the evidence. Tom Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM
The United States had multiple opportunities in the 1990s to go against al Qaeda. At one point, as we all remember, Sudan wanted to hand him over to the US but we said "no".

The United States was not concerned, primarily, with terrorism. International organizations like al Qaeda were significant enough to discuss, but certainly not to actually attack. When Bush got his first national security briefing, he was told that the threats to the US were, in order of danger: (1) China, (2) Iran and North Korea nuclear programs and (3) al Qaeda. Of these threats, al Qaeda was the most ephemeral - no organization can maintain the level of excitement and fervor to sustain long-term activities of this nature.

Looking at previous statements and incidents (like the spy plane the Chinese forced down) it is clear that the Bush administration was looking elsewhere. The war on terror strained a lot of relationships that had no problems. The old maxim of "if it isn't broken, don't fix it" comes into play. Why would the US want to expend so much political, economic and human capital tracking down a group of terrorists? Bush himself even alluded to this in his "million dollar missile into a ten dollar tent" statement.

9/11 also did a lot of damage to the US economy. Why would a President or anyone else in the government intentionally sabotage their means of making money?

Iraq certainly became a target of opportunity immediately after 9/11, and that fed into the US concern about Iran (I am certain the idea was to have bases in Iraq in the long term). However, conspiracies are very difficult to maintain. People talk. Look at wikileaks. Look at the Pentagon Papers.

If I had ever heard anything that made any logical sense, I would have at least given that version of events credit as "plausible".
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1503 Views
Logic classes would be good in schools. - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 1007 Views
Ugh. - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 1047 Views
Re: Ugh. - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 986 Views
this is a controlled demolition - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 1099 Views
That is an incredibly stupid argument. - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 1041 Views
Asking questions is never wrong. - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 930 Views
Re: Asking questions is never wrong. - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 1101 Views
Agreed - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 966 Views
There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 1030 Views
No, there is not. - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 1144 Views
Well, the circumstances were odd at least - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 1013 Views
As far as conspiracies go ... - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 1107 Views
what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 911 Views
I'm not sure you got my gist. - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 968 Views
I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 977 Views
Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 1074 Views
Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 1011 Views
But that's what I DID argue. - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 1015 Views
sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 1057 Views
I've always seen them as separate. - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 861 Views
and that is why I decided to drop it - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 1023 Views
Heh. - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 984 Views
And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 1103 Views
I'm still annoyed. - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 900 Views
Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so. - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 940 Views
In addition: - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 1120 Views
sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 1031 Views
This is very frustrating. - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 986 Views
For the war on terror? - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 1039 Views
And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 989 Views
That contradicts the evidence. - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 1015 Views
Excuse me? - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 1069 Views
Huh? - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 1045 Views
the problem with any other theory is the make no sense - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 979 Views
Contemplate this.... - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 1004 Views
You just did not go Star Trek on me - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 1020 Views
And how did you know... - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 1079 Views
Re: And how did you know... - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 1080 Views
humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 941 Views
Won't help - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 1014 Views
Make 'em all take debate. - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 971 Views
Would madam like a cane? - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 1102 Views
Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 464 Views
Do you think it would help? - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 966 Views
Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 1001 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 972 Views
Not actually the best example - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 978 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 980 Views
Wouldn't make much difference - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 998 Views
OK thanks *NM* - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 520 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 1013 Views
But how else would they fall down? - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 892 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 1024 Views
You could still argue. - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 915 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 927 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 1003 Views
Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 922 Views
I love geometry proofs. - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 1075 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 544 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 959 Views
+1 *NM* - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 443 Views
Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 1198 Views
Ha. Ha. - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 1001 Views
As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 1165 Views

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