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And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? random thoughts Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM
There has to be a deeper plot than we just wanted to declare war on terror. There has to be a goal that would be accomplished by this war on terror that would be worth the risk of getting caught attacking the American people. Think about the fallout if a government group was found to be responsible, it could end the government as we know it. Watergate would be an honest mistake in comparison and the Trail of Tears would humane.

What was the real goal? I have trouble buying the argument that they felt terrorism was such a grave threat that they had to pull off an attack more devastating that the terrorist were able to accomplish in order to spur the country to action and keep the terrorist from pulling off a devastating attack. Sounds good if you are writing Catch 22 part 2 but not much goos beyond that.

The argument that since their was a strong reaction to being attacked the group attacked must have planned it order to provoke a strong reaction may sound like solid thinking but without any actually evidence to support it all you have is tinfoil hat crazy.
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1398 Views
Logic classes would be good in schools. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 933 Views
Ugh. Ghavrel - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 968 Views
Re: Ugh. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 892 Views
Something tells me that no matter who answered your questions you wouldn't believe anyway. everynametaken - 21/09/2011 02:16:52 AM 883 Views
this is a controlled demolition Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 1013 Views
That is an incredibly stupid argument. Tom - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 944 Views
I've seen controlled demolitions in person. They happen in the opposite order of the WTC collapses. Ghavrel - 21/09/2011 03:54:35 AM 970 Views
Asking questions is never wrong. ironclad - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 852 Views
Re: Asking questions is never wrong. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 1016 Views
Agreed Camilla - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 897 Views
I've long advocated this for the reasons Tom states as well as others. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:49:28 AM 832 Views
I don't know if the Internet is degrading skills, or just giving stupid people a voice beetnemesis - 20/09/2011 02:33:24 PM 969 Views
There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 953 Views
No, there is not. Tom - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 1041 Views
Well, the circumstances were odd at least Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 932 Views
As far as conspiracies go ... Nate - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 1023 Views
what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 832 Views
I'm not sure you got my gist. Nate - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 881 Views
I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 896 Views
Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. Nate - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 964 Views
Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 934 Views
But that's what I DID argue. Nate - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 918 Views
sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 963 Views
I've always seen them as separate. Nate - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 779 Views
and that is why I decided to drop it random thoughts - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 950 Views
Heh. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 886 Views
And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 1014 Views
I'm still annoyed. Nate - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 819 Views
I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM 826 Views
Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 858 Views
and I pointed that it was was just continuin gthe Clinton policy random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:30:13 PM 904 Views
Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM 941 Views
In addition: Nate - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 1025 Views
sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 962 Views
This is very frustrating. Nate - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 911 Views
For the war on terror? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 963 Views
And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 903 Views
That contradicts the evidence. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 929 Views
Excuse me? Macharius - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 991 Views
Huh? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 967 Views
the problem with any other theory is the make no sense random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 883 Views
Contemplate this.... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 912 Views
You just did not go Star Trek on me Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 929 Views
And how did you know... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 1012 Views
Re: And how did you know... Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 1004 Views
You should watch the pilot episode of the X-Files spin-off series The Lone Gunmen. TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 08:19:15 PM 957 Views
humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 865 Views
Won't help Praziquantel - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 941 Views
Make 'em all take debate. nossy - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 889 Views
Would madam like a cane? Elaine - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 1031 Views
Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 425 Views
Do you think it would help? aerocontrols - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 884 Views
Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 916 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Tom - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 895 Views
Not actually the best example Isaac - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 880 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? random thoughts - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 906 Views
Wouldn't make much difference Isaac - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 917 Views
OK thanks *NM* random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 472 Views
The fireproofing was scraped off the steel by the crash, so the beams melted. Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:35:08 PM 1099 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 929 Views
But how else would they fall down? Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 800 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 959 Views
You could still argue. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 832 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 850 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 926 Views
Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 839 Views
I love geometry proofs. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 974 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* LaSombra - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 457 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 881 Views
+1 *NM* Isaac - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 400 Views
Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. jh - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 1105 Views
Ha. Ha. Vivien - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 899 Views
As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. Tom - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 1085 Views
I really and truly appreciate your love of pure math for math's sake, but... Tom - 21/09/2011 11:10:03 PM 876 Views
Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone Isaac - 21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM 897 Views
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