The United States had multiple opportunities in the 1990s to go against al Qaeda. At one point, as we all remember, Sudan wanted to hand him over to the US but we said "no".
The United States was not concerned, primarily, with terrorism. International organizations like al Qaeda were significant enough to discuss, but certainly not to actually attack. When Bush got his first national security briefing, he was told that the threats to the US were, in order of danger: (1) China, (2) Iran and North Korea nuclear programs and (3) al Qaeda. Of these threats, al Qaeda was the most ephemeral - no organization can maintain the level of excitement and fervor to sustain long-term activities of this nature.
Looking at previous statements and incidents (like the spy plane the Chinese forced down) it is clear that the Bush administration was looking elsewhere. The war on terror strained a lot of relationships that had no problems. The old maxim of "if it isn't broken, don't fix it" comes into play. Why would the US want to expend so much political, economic and human capital tracking down a group of terrorists? Bush himself even alluded to this in his "million dollar missile into a ten dollar tent" statement.
9/11 also did a lot of damage to the US economy. Why would a President or anyone else in the government intentionally sabotage their means of making money?
Iraq certainly became a target of opportunity immediately after 9/11, and that fed into the US concern about Iran (I am certain the idea was to have bases in Iraq in the long term). However, conspiracies are very difficult to maintain. People talk. Look at wikileaks. Look at the Pentagon Papers.
If I had ever heard anything that made any logical sense, I would have at least given that version of events credit as "plausible".
The United States was not concerned, primarily, with terrorism. International organizations like al Qaeda were significant enough to discuss, but certainly not to actually attack. When Bush got his first national security briefing, he was told that the threats to the US were, in order of danger: (1) China, (2) Iran and North Korea nuclear programs and (3) al Qaeda. Of these threats, al Qaeda was the most ephemeral - no organization can maintain the level of excitement and fervor to sustain long-term activities of this nature.
Looking at previous statements and incidents (like the spy plane the Chinese forced down) it is clear that the Bush administration was looking elsewhere. The war on terror strained a lot of relationships that had no problems. The old maxim of "if it isn't broken, don't fix it" comes into play. Why would the US want to expend so much political, economic and human capital tracking down a group of terrorists? Bush himself even alluded to this in his "million dollar missile into a ten dollar tent" statement.
9/11 also did a lot of damage to the US economy. Why would a President or anyone else in the government intentionally sabotage their means of making money?
Iraq certainly became a target of opportunity immediately after 9/11, and that fed into the US concern about Iran (I am certain the idea was to have bases in Iraq in the long term). However, conspiracies are very difficult to maintain. People talk. Look at wikileaks. Look at the Pentagon Papers.
If I had ever heard anything that made any logical sense, I would have at least given that version of events credit as "plausible".
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools.
- 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM
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Logic classes would be good in schools.
- 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM
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Ugh.
- 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM
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Re: Ugh.
- 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM
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Something tells me that no matter who answered your questions you wouldn't believe anyway.
- 21/09/2011 02:16:52 AM
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this is a controlled demolition
- 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM
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I've seen controlled demolitions in person. They happen in the opposite order of the WTC collapses.
- 21/09/2011 03:54:35 AM
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Agreed
- 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM
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I've long advocated this for the reasons Tom states as well as others.
- 21/09/2011 06:49:28 AM
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I don't know if the Internet is degrading skills, or just giving stupid people a voice
- 20/09/2011 02:33:24 PM
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There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed
- 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM
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No, there is not.
- 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM
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Well, the circumstances were odd at least
- 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM
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As far as conspiracies go ...
- 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM
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what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid?
- 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM
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I'm not sure you got my gist.
- 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM
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I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11
- 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM
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Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence.
- 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM
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Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed
- 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM
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But that's what I DID argue.
- 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM
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sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms
- 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM
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I've always seen them as separate.
- 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM
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And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member.
- 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM
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I'm still annoyed.
- 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM
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I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate
- 21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM
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and I pointed that it was was just continuin gthe Clinton policy
- 21/09/2011 02:30:13 PM
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Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank.
- 21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM
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In addition:
- 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM
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For the war on terror?
- 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM
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That contradicts the evidence.
- 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM
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Contemplate this....
- 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM
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You just did not go Star Trek on me
- 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM
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- 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM
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You should watch the pilot episode of the X-Files spin-off series The Lone Gunmen.
- 20/09/2011 08:19:15 PM
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Make 'em all take debate.
- 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM
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Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools.
- 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM
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Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...?
- 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM
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Not actually the best example
- 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM
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what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building?
- 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM
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The fireproofing was scraped off the steel by the crash, so the beams melted.
- 21/09/2011 07:35:08 PM
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Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...?
- 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM
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You would force Euler on to the masses?
- 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM
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You could still argue.
- 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM
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I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person
- 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM
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- 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM
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Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math.
- 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM
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Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid.
- 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM
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I really and truly appreciate your love of pure math for math's sake, but...
- 21/09/2011 11:10:03 PM
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Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone
- 21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM
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