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That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. Joel Send a noteboard - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM
To get the free ID you need to have a birth certificate or some other form of naturalization papers. Not everyone has that (you should understand why this is LL since you live in Kansas, not everyone was born in a hospital).

Which means some people cannot prove they are US citizens (ironically, naturalized citizens CAN prove it, because the process created a physical record of their naturalization, even if they do not personally possess such documentation.) That is a MUCH bigger problem than just voting. "I was born in East L.A.!!! ><img class=' />"
Furthermore the photo id is pretty much only DL, Military ID, or stated issued free one. It does not work for things such as University ID, etc.

So? Although that depends on where you go; where I lived in TX you ALWAYS needed photo ID IF you did not have your voter registration card with you, but they accepted things like the IDs issued to the 50,000 students at UT. But, yeah, I have no problem telling people they cannot just drop by the nearest novelty photo booth, hit the laminator and be able to vote (though obtaining a state issued ID might be cheaper.)
I think everyone should have one of the forms of ID but the reality is not everyone does. As your article pointed out, 200,000 people that are registered voters do not have one of the forms of a required id.

No matter what you do, some form of voter id law will disenfranchise potential voters. That said most people are okay with a small amount of disenfranchisement if they believe it will make the system more accountable.

Works for me; like I say, as long as it is not made into a poll tax I not only accept but support the idea. There are native US citizens living in cars, dumpsters and even cardboard boxes who cannot vote because they cannot get a voter registration card without a permanent physical address. It sucks, but there is not much to be done about it, and I do not think we should refuse a significant improvement to the system just because it does not help people who were already not being helped. How many people who cannot prove their citizenship can even register to vote? Ideally, the answer would be "none," else the system is VERY vulnerable to fraud whether or not much occurs.
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How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM 2073 Views
I certainly don't know. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:32:42 PM 599 Views
From what I understand ... - 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM 1185 Views
but you need a photo ID for so many other things - 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM 1062 Views
Well. - 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM 1204 Views
your last bit is a good point *NM* - 15/01/2012 06:07:17 PM 641 Views
The SCOTUS disagrees with you. - 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM 1035 Views
I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM* - 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM 742 Views
That is kind of pathetic. - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 971 Views
you are not taking my amazing good looks into account - 17/01/2012 11:22:16 AM 898 Views
I cannot speak to that. - 17/01/2012 04:11:53 PM 1098 Views
It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is. - 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM 1058 Views
That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM 579 Views
Did you read your own article? - 15/01/2012 05:48:21 PM 1113 Views
but out of that 200,000, how many would go get an ID? - 15/01/2012 06:08:44 PM 1069 Views
I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate... - 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM 999 Views
it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM 576 Views
Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID. - 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM 1071 Views
This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM 604 Views
I'm magical? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:59:33 PM 663 Views
It is not a black and white issue - 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM 1082 Views
I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM 589 Views
I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM 621 Views
that's too obvious. - 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM 1063 Views
You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit - 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM 1070 Views
have you ever had a rabbit? - 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM 1113 Views
A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit - 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM 1162 Views
that's just what they want you to think. - 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM 1006 Views
Viscous does not mean Magical - 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM 1195 Views
Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this: - 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM 1134 Views
definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina. - 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM 1210 Views
You could walk. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM 584 Views
Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away - 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM 1223 Views
7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM* - 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM 582 Views
probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless. - 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM 1123 Views
Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence. - 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM 1068 Views
I really have no idea what the rules are. *NM* - 17/01/2012 03:02:04 PM 591 Views
Every state has its own rules - 17/01/2012 03:54:43 PM 1114 Views
No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case - 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM 1128 Views
Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM 698 Views
that would be interesting. *NM* - 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM 609 Views
I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM 1130 Views
Re: I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM 1069 Views
I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV - 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM 1019 Views
Also passports work too in most places. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM 629 Views
those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM 494 Views
Non-driver IDs, as said above - 16/01/2012 11:55:55 PM 1103 Views
they don't cost in all states. They are free in SC *NM* - 17/01/2012 12:00:14 AM 609 Views
It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM 1189 Views
That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM 1130 Views
Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem - 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM 1100 Views
can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem? - 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM 1030 Views
In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted - 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM 1267 Views
That's smoke and mirrors - 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM 1172 Views
It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point - 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM 1080 Views
I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM 1077 Views
Question for you - 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM 1128 Views
I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM 1267 Views
I tend to agree - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM 1018 Views
I'd definitely encourage absentee voting - 16/01/2012 07:14:02 PM 1127 Views
I am required to produce a state ID to vote. - 16/01/2012 02:21:27 PM 1116 Views
Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM 1124 Views
Keep wearing that tinfoil hat. *NM* - 16/01/2012 03:09:56 PM 605 Views
I'm not reading the article but... - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM 1049 Views
maybe there's no excuse in your area - 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM 1013 Views
I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM 997 Views
that pretty much sums up my thoughts no it - 18/01/2012 08:57:41 PM 1016 Views
Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM 1237 Views
Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM 1156 Views
Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM 1350 Views
Re: maybe there's no excuse in your area - 21/01/2012 02:39:12 AM 1110 Views
What? I'm the only one who cares? - 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM 1200 Views
Yes, just you, the rest of us have been discussing baseball this entire time *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:41:25 AM 606 Views
I'm the only one who cares with fervor in a non nuanced way ok? *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:07:07 AM 600 Views
imo, fervor has no place in political discussion - 18/01/2012 02:35:56 PM 1056 Views
And yet, it finds its way or it's not politics. - 18/01/2012 06:28:08 PM 1061 Views
What? - 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM 957 Views
What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before? - 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 1214 Views
the problem with that last point is... - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM 1054 Views
Yes. - 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM 1236 Views
Cry me a river. Honestly. - 20/01/2012 05:28:05 AM 981 Views
What's your real question? - 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM 1037 Views
Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question. - 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM 1120 Views
Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised. - 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM 1254 Views

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