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That is kind of pathetic. Joel Send a noteboard - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM
I mean, that is the whole reason registration cards exist, and why we must sign them: So they can compare the signature on the card to the signature on the roll and verify they match. Enacting a new law to verify voters identities when existing ones are not followed may be pointless. :rolleyes:
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How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM 2073 Views
I certainly don't know. *NM* Palatine - 15/01/2012 05:32:42 PM 599 Views
From what I understand ... Nate - 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM 1185 Views
but you need a photo ID for so many other things LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM 1062 Views
Well. Nate - 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM 1204 Views
your last bit is a good point *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 06:07:17 PM 641 Views
The SCOTUS disagrees with you. Joel - 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM 1033 Views
I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM* Ray - 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM 742 Views
That is kind of pathetic. Joel - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 970 Views
you are not taking my amazing good looks into account Ray - 17/01/2012 11:22:16 AM 898 Views
I cannot speak to that. Joel - 17/01/2012 04:11:53 PM 1097 Views
It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is. Legolas - 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM 1058 Views
That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM 579 Views
Did you read your own article? Legolas - 15/01/2012 05:48:21 PM 1113 Views
but out of that 200,000, how many would go get an ID? LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 06:08:44 PM 1069 Views
I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate... Burr - 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM 999 Views
it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM 576 Views
Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID. Burr - 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM 1071 Views
i suppose that would get complicated if you tried to make it nice and flexible. *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 06:09:13 PM 797 Views
It doesn't, really. The issue gets politicized due to a long memory of "Jim Crow". Tom - 15/01/2012 06:19:37 PM 1167 Views
Yah, my mom brought up Jim Crow laws. It's a fair point, at least in regards to the reaction LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 06:22:36 PM 1078 Views
This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM* Nate - 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM 604 Views
I'm magical? *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 08:59:33 PM 663 Views
It is not a black and white issue Roland00 - 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM 1082 Views
I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM* LadyLorraine - 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM 589 Views
I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM* Roland00 - 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM 621 Views
that's too obvious. LadyLorraine - 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM 1062 Views
You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit Roland00 - 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM 1070 Views
have you ever had a rabbit? LadyLorraine - 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM 1111 Views
A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit Roland00 - 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM 1160 Views
that's just what they want you to think. LadyLorraine - 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM 1002 Views
Viscous does not mean Magical Roland00 - 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM 1193 Views
Actually i'm pretty sure my rabbits scratch me because they're furry bastards. *NM* LadyLorraine - 16/01/2012 04:28:57 PM 599 Views
well for one thing she didn't start out by insulting people who disagree with her Ray - 16/01/2012 02:09:24 AM 1045 Views
Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this: jh - 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM 1134 Views
definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina. LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM 1210 Views
You could walk. *NM* jh - 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM 584 Views
Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away LadyLorraine - 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM 1221 Views
7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM* jh - 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM 582 Views
probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless. LadyLorraine - 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM 1120 Views
Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence. Sareitha Sedai - 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM 1068 Views
I really have no idea what the rules are. *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/01/2012 03:02:04 PM 590 Views
Every state has its own rules Isaac - 17/01/2012 03:54:43 PM 1113 Views
No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case Isaac - 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM 1126 Views
It disenfranchises the dead/illegal aliens/people who vote multiple times... MightyYT - 16/01/2012 02:01:47 AM 1145 Views
Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM* Palatine - 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM 698 Views
that would be interesting. *NM* jh - 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM 609 Views
By that, I assume you want to know. (But probably not as interesting as you think.) Palatine - 17/01/2012 02:46:16 PM 1094 Views
I don't see how it does A Deathwatch Guard - 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM 1129 Views
Re: I don't see how it does Nate - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM 1068 Views
I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV LadyLorraine - 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM 1018 Views
Cool. I wonder if Canada has those. I should check into that. *NM* Nate - 16/01/2012 12:35:39 AM 526 Views
Also passports work too in most places. *NM* MightyYT - 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM 629 Views
those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM* LadyLorraine - 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM 494 Views
Non-driver IDs, as said above A Deathwatch Guard - 16/01/2012 11:55:55 PM 1102 Views
they don't cost in all states. They are free in SC *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/01/2012 12:00:14 AM 609 Views
It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution Roland00 - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM 1186 Views
That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. Joel - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM 1128 Views
Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem Roland00 - 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM 1100 Views
can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem? Ray - 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM 1028 Views
In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted Roland00 - 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM 1267 Views
That's smoke and mirrors Isaac - 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM 1168 Views
It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point Roland00 - 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM 1078 Views
You are still ignoring the fact that it is almost impossible to catch people on the current system random thoughts - 16/01/2012 03:52:42 PM 1041 Views
I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article Isaac - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM 1076 Views
Question for you Sareitha Sedai - 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM 1128 Views
I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. Isaac - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM 1265 Views
I tend to agree Sareitha Sedai - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM 1016 Views
I'd definitely encourage absentee voting Isaac - 16/01/2012 07:14:02 PM 1126 Views
becuase they would then be limited to voting once and all of ACRON's work would be wasted *NM* Ray - 16/01/2012 01:46:06 AM 690 Views
Not to mention it might stop some of those pesky dead people that keep showing up. Every Year. *NM* dart_board - 16/01/2012 02:44:42 PM 683 Views
Hey now. Zombies are people too, and deserve to have their opinions noted. *NM* Nate - 17/01/2012 10:23:15 PM 601 Views
I guess you havn't been watching the Walking Dead *NM* random thoughts - 18/01/2012 07:09:34 PM 612 Views
Nate's one of those Farmer Hershel types. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 18/01/2012 10:02:48 PM 621 Views
Just a guess but I don't think things will end well for the farmer *NM* random thoughts - 19/01/2012 07:09:45 PM 665 Views
If provided gratis, it does not; otherwise, it is a poll tax (illegal under federal law.) Joel - 16/01/2012 02:39:40 AM 995 Views
I am required to produce a state ID to vote. Amyrlin - 16/01/2012 02:21:27 PM 1114 Views
Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? dart_board - 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM 1123 Views
Keep wearing that tinfoil hat. *NM* Amyrlin - 16/01/2012 03:09:56 PM 605 Views
I do think that fraud/raising barriers to vote need to be weighed against each other. Sareitha Sedai - 16/01/2012 06:20:23 PM 1070 Views
I remember the Bush/Gore Fiasco back in 2000, Florida and Democrats pissed off the overseas military MightyYT - 16/01/2012 06:56:39 PM 1065 Views
I'm not reading the article but... callandor1000 - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM 1048 Views
maybe there's no excuse in your area LadyLorraine - 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM 1013 Views
I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. Sareitha Sedai - 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM 997 Views
that pretty much sums up my thoughts no it LadyLorraine - 18/01/2012 08:57:41 PM 1011 Views
Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. callandor1000 - 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM 1235 Views
Well, that's kind of what I meant. Sareitha Sedai - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM 1154 Views
Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. callandor1000 - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM 1348 Views
Re: maybe there's no excuse in your area callandor1000 - 21/01/2012 02:39:12 AM 1106 Views
What? I'm the only one who cares? Vivien - 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM 1198 Views
Yes, just you, the rest of us have been discussing baseball this entire time *NM* Isaac - 18/01/2012 02:41:25 AM 606 Views
I'm the only one who cares with fervor in a non nuanced way ok? *NM* Vivien - 18/01/2012 03:07:07 AM 600 Views
imo, fervor has no place in political discussion LadyLorraine - 18/01/2012 02:35:56 PM 1054 Views
And yet, it finds its way or it's not politics. Vivien - 18/01/2012 06:28:08 PM 1056 Views
That doesn't mean that's the best or most productive discussion manner LadyLorraine - 18/01/2012 06:59:09 PM 1194 Views
Strong feelings on a topic don't have to translate to fervent discussion, all caps style. Vivien - 18/01/2012 08:50:45 PM 1136 Views
What? Amyrlin - 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM 956 Views
What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before? Vivien - 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 1213 Views
the problem with that last point is... LadyLorraine - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM 1052 Views
Yes. Vivien - 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM 1236 Views
That example is a lot different to what I'm talking about though. LadyLorraine - 18/01/2012 10:51:21 PM 1087 Views
It's not that different and it's a concrete example of something that happened quite recently. Vivien - 18/01/2012 11:43:24 PM 1302 Views
but my point is that it wasn't the government making those calls LadyLorraine - 19/01/2012 12:09:17 AM 1018 Views
Cry me a river. Honestly. Amyrlin - 20/01/2012 05:28:05 AM 981 Views
What's your real question? Palatine - 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM 1037 Views
Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question. Vivien - 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM 1117 Views
Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised. Palatine - 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM 1252 Views
I've had enough, looking forward to insulting everyone again in a couple months or so. Vivien - 19/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 1138 Views
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