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I'm not reading the article but... callandor1000 Send a noteboard - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM
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Recreated-sorta-OP: The article below goes over this law that South Carolina is trying to pass to require photo ID. The federal government is stepping in and being all "THIS WILL DISENFRANCHISE BLACK AND MINORITY VOTERS!!!" and South Carolina is getting pissy because it views this as a state's right law that the government is interfering with. I'm just struggling to see how this disenfranchies blacks/minorities.

EDIT: Okay, I chatted with my mom and she pointed out a few things. I think they're fair points.

1) The reaction to this law is somewhat understandable because it harkens back to the old Jim Crow laws and their effects, which aren't even out of the memories of the living.

2) The low income bracket that is likely representative of the minority demographics likely lives on a cash basis and therefore wouldn't necessarily have an ID for things like the bank. I didn't think about that.

3) The accessibility of the DMV is probably lacking, as well as the information regarding how one goes about acquiring a photo ID for free. I brought up public libraries, but my mom pointed out that many of the areas of relevance probably don't have readily accessible public libraries either.

With those considerations, I guess I can see where the federal government is coming from in regards to these people not having IDs and not being able to get them. It still seems like something that a compromise could be reached on, though. Maybe have ID centers besides the DMV? Opening up ID centers could provide jobs (if only a few) for those areas as well.


I find that really there is no excuse for not having a photo ID. I work at a pharmacy, it is not uncommon to ask for IDs. Further, it is not uncommon to be told someone doesn't have one. Before my recent experiences, I might be able to see the whole not being able to afford one or what not. That ship sailed. When you come to me with a bottle of wine and A&D ointment for that sweet new tat you're sporting and I won't sell you the wine because you don't have your ID and you have the balls to tell me you can't afford it and even offer to show me your facebook page that lists your age on your pretty new cell phone, I call bullshit. For a time, I thought this might even be the exception. At least where I work, it is not. Its more like the rule.

Your mom. That's right. The cat is out of the bag. Your mom.

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How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM 1901 Views
I certainly don't know. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:32:42 PM 532 Views
From what I understand ... - 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM 1018 Views
but you need a photo ID for so many other things - 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM 904 Views
Well. - 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM 1038 Views
your last bit is a good point *NM* - 15/01/2012 06:07:17 PM 570 Views
The SCOTUS disagrees with you. - 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM 866 Views
I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM* - 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM 668 Views
That is kind of pathetic. - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 811 Views
you are not taking my amazing good looks into account - 17/01/2012 11:22:16 AM 738 Views
I cannot speak to that. - 17/01/2012 04:11:53 PM 928 Views
It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is. - 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM 910 Views
That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM 510 Views
Did you read your own article? - 15/01/2012 05:48:21 PM 959 Views
but out of that 200,000, how many would go get an ID? - 15/01/2012 06:08:44 PM 914 Views
I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate... - 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM 841 Views
it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM 509 Views
Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID. - 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM 910 Views
This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM 531 Views
I'm magical? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:59:33 PM 602 Views
It is not a black and white issue - 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM 925 Views
I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM 519 Views
I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM 546 Views
that's too obvious. - 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM 901 Views
You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit - 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM 915 Views
have you ever had a rabbit? - 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM 957 Views
A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit - 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM 974 Views
that's just what they want you to think. - 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM 846 Views
Viscous does not mean Magical - 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM 1044 Views
Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this: - 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM 982 Views
definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina. - 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM 1055 Views
You could walk. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM 518 Views
Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away - 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM 1062 Views
7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM* - 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM 519 Views
probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless. - 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM 958 Views
Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence. - 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM 906 Views
I really have no idea what the rules are. *NM* - 17/01/2012 03:02:04 PM 522 Views
Every state has its own rules - 17/01/2012 03:54:43 PM 947 Views
No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case - 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM 964 Views
Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM 624 Views
that would be interesting. *NM* - 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM 534 Views
I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM 979 Views
Re: I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM 914 Views
I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV - 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM 861 Views
Also passports work too in most places. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM 551 Views
those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM 428 Views
Non-driver IDs, as said above - 16/01/2012 11:55:55 PM 942 Views
they don't cost in all states. They are free in SC *NM* - 17/01/2012 12:00:14 AM 541 Views
It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM 1011 Views
That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM 966 Views
Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem - 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM 936 Views
can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem? - 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM 867 Views
In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted - 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM 1094 Views
That's smoke and mirrors - 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM 993 Views
It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point - 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM 922 Views
I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM 926 Views
Question for you - 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM 973 Views
I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM 1104 Views
I tend to agree - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM 858 Views
I'd definitely encourage absentee voting - 16/01/2012 07:14:02 PM 958 Views
I am required to produce a state ID to vote. - 16/01/2012 02:21:27 PM 981 Views
Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM 959 Views
Keep wearing that tinfoil hat. *NM* - 16/01/2012 03:09:56 PM 541 Views
I'm not reading the article but... - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM 902 Views
maybe there's no excuse in your area - 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM 841 Views
I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM 833 Views
that pretty much sums up my thoughts no it - 18/01/2012 08:57:41 PM 863 Views
Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM 1097 Views
Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM 998 Views
Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM 1185 Views
Re: maybe there's no excuse in your area - 21/01/2012 02:39:12 AM 938 Views
What? I'm the only one who cares? - 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM 1045 Views
Yes, just you, the rest of us have been discussing baseball this entire time *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:41:25 AM 541 Views
I'm the only one who cares with fervor in a non nuanced way ok? *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:07:07 AM 528 Views
imo, fervor has no place in political discussion - 18/01/2012 02:35:56 PM 902 Views
What? - 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM 825 Views
What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before? - 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 1049 Views
the problem with that last point is... - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM 888 Views
Yes. - 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM 1058 Views
Cry me a river. Honestly. - 20/01/2012 05:28:05 AM 816 Views
What's your real question? - 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM 864 Views
Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question. - 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM 963 Views
Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised. - 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM 1103 Views

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