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And yet, it finds its way or it's not politics. Vivien Send a noteboard - 18/01/2012 06:28:08 PM
Most issues are grey enough that they should be met with consideration and thought beyond one's immediate "fervor". The thing is, there is rarely one right answer for all factors of a political issue. This is a country with a lot of people with a lot of opinions and a lot of problems that are all intertwined. You can't just furiously jerk at one knot and expect it not to affect the entire mess.

Yes. There is the consequence of this law that it can/will make voting more difficult. Not much more difficult, but people will have to take time out of their day to go get an ID card. Which, really, is a good idea to have anyways.

However, there is the question of voter fraud, which has been discussed above.

What worse? Having people who don't vote because they couldn't/wouldn't take the time to go get an ID card, or having an unfair election due to fraud? If you ask me, the latter is a far greater threat to a democracy than the former. The latter decreases representation, but the former leads to a corruption of the entire process.

I don't know. It's something that should be weighed and discussed. It affects much more than the people it immediately affects.


What is a decrease in representation if not corruption? I believe limiting representation, especially if those in power can put up barriers to make it more difficult or intimidating to vote for those that they least want voting- this is the greatest threat to democracy.

In order to hope to attempt to justify increased voter id obstacles, you would really have to have prove that voter fraud is taking place (not imaginary possible voter fraud) and that the stricter voter id regulations would stop it or at least minimize it. This is not the case.
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How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM 1745 Views
I certainly don't know. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:32:42 PM 460 Views
From what I understand ... - 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM 869 Views
but you need a photo ID for so many other things - 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM 758 Views
Well. - 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM 906 Views
your last bit is a good point *NM* - 15/01/2012 06:07:17 PM 493 Views
The SCOTUS disagrees with you. - 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM 720 Views
I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM* - 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM 599 Views
That is kind of pathetic. - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 675 Views
you are not taking my amazing good looks into account - 17/01/2012 11:22:16 AM 620 Views
I cannot speak to that. - 17/01/2012 04:11:53 PM 782 Views
It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is. - 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM 762 Views
That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM 445 Views
Did you read your own article? - 15/01/2012 05:48:21 PM 813 Views
but out of that 200,000, how many would go get an ID? - 15/01/2012 06:08:44 PM 773 Views
I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate... - 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM 690 Views
it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM 445 Views
Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID. - 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM 765 Views
This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM 473 Views
I'm magical? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:59:33 PM 548 Views
It is not a black and white issue - 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM 785 Views
I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM 454 Views
I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM 486 Views
that's too obvious. - 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM 758 Views
You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit - 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM 771 Views
have you ever had a rabbit? - 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM 811 Views
A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit - 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM 823 Views
that's just what they want you to think. - 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM 698 Views
Viscous does not mean Magical - 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM 898 Views
Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this: - 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM 782 Views
definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina. - 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM 882 Views
You could walk. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM 454 Views
Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away - 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM 912 Views
7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM* - 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM 454 Views
probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless. - 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM 817 Views
Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence. - 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM 752 Views
I really have no idea what the rules are. *NM* - 17/01/2012 03:02:04 PM 462 Views
Every state has its own rules - 17/01/2012 03:54:43 PM 803 Views
No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case - 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM 804 Views
Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM 561 Views
that would be interesting. *NM* - 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM 469 Views
I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM 831 Views
Re: I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM 768 Views
I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV - 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM 719 Views
Also passports work too in most places. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM 490 Views
those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM 360 Views
Non-driver IDs, as said above - 16/01/2012 11:55:55 PM 790 Views
they don't cost in all states. They are free in SC *NM* - 17/01/2012 12:00:14 AM 472 Views
It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM 826 Views
That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM 791 Views
Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem - 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM 758 Views
can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem? - 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM 722 Views
In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted - 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM 942 Views
That's smoke and mirrors - 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM 840 Views
It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point - 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM 768 Views
I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM 770 Views
Question for you - 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM 812 Views
I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM 952 Views
I tend to agree - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM 711 Views
I'd definitely encourage absentee voting - 16/01/2012 07:14:02 PM 799 Views
I am required to produce a state ID to vote. - 16/01/2012 02:21:27 PM 832 Views
Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM 747 Views
Keep wearing that tinfoil hat. *NM* - 16/01/2012 03:09:56 PM 473 Views
I'm not reading the article but... - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM 750 Views
maybe there's no excuse in your area - 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM 685 Views
I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM 684 Views
that pretty much sums up my thoughts no it - 18/01/2012 08:57:41 PM 717 Views
Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM 926 Views
Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM 842 Views
Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM 1030 Views
Re: maybe there's no excuse in your area - 21/01/2012 02:39:12 AM 790 Views
What? I'm the only one who cares? - 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM 901 Views
Yes, just you, the rest of us have been discussing baseball this entire time *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:41:25 AM 483 Views
I'm the only one who cares with fervor in a non nuanced way ok? *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:07:07 AM 471 Views
imo, fervor has no place in political discussion - 18/01/2012 02:35:56 PM 748 Views
And yet, it finds its way or it's not politics. - 18/01/2012 06:28:08 PM 752 Views
What? - 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM 679 Views
What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before? - 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 896 Views
the problem with that last point is... - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM 751 Views
Yes. - 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM 899 Views
Cry me a river. Honestly. - 20/01/2012 05:28:05 AM 666 Views
What's your real question? - 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM 724 Views
Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question. - 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM 813 Views
Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised. - 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM 956 Views

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