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the problem with that last point is... LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM
I am ALL for making sure that everyone who CAN vote, does. However, you should also have to PROVE who you are. That is not an unreasonable request by the state.


It doesn't *sound* unreasonable, but it has scary effects. A lot of these laws vary from state to state and are very different. What if your only acceptable form of id has expired? What if you're not sure what exactly are your state's voter id laws and if you can meet them? It doesn't matter if the actual law seems to be perfectly fair and reasonable if the effect is that people who are on the fringes of society to begin with feel intimidated about voting (let alone if there are actual substantial barriers)


There will always be people on the fringes of society that feel intimidated about voting. Even if it's just the conspiracy theorists! So the trick becomes where you will draw the line, not IF you're going to draw the line.

Given that one of the reasons a lot of people in my demographic (18-24 white middle class) don't vote is that we feel our vote is useless. Such a feeling is compounded by the implications of voter fraud, as well as the feeling that a lot of people are voting that have NO IDEA WTF IS GOING ON. I'm not saying we should deny ignorant citizens the right to vote! But from that view point, yah you know what? If someone is too ignorant/lazy to go get an appropriate ID to vote, why SHOULD I care? That's just one less vote from someone who would place an uneducated vote likely based on the appearance of the candidate or (more likely) what party they were.

I definitely think that ID laws are okay in general. I think that the states requiring them should ALSO make sure acceptable forms of ID are as broad as possible (the example of the utility bill above is a good one), or if they are going to tighten down, they need to improve accessibility to acceptable forms of ID (ex. opening ID centers in accessible areas).

As far as just not knowing about the state laws, I see no reason why that should be a problem. You're not registered by default to vote, so when you go in to register they can just have a poster or a pamphlet or something.
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How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM 1955 Views
I certainly don't know. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:32:42 PM 548 Views
From what I understand ... - 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM 1068 Views
but you need a photo ID for so many other things - 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM 945 Views
Well. - 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM 1074 Views
your last bit is a good point *NM* - 15/01/2012 06:07:17 PM 589 Views
The SCOTUS disagrees with you. - 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM 916 Views
I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM* - 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM 686 Views
That is kind of pathetic. - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 865 Views
you are not taking my amazing good looks into account - 17/01/2012 11:22:16 AM 783 Views
I cannot speak to that. - 17/01/2012 04:11:53 PM 977 Views
It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is. - 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM 947 Views
That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM 527 Views
Did you read your own article? - 15/01/2012 05:48:21 PM 996 Views
but out of that 200,000, how many would go get an ID? - 15/01/2012 06:08:44 PM 959 Views
I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate... - 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM 890 Views
it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM 525 Views
Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID. - 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM 959 Views
This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM 547 Views
I'm magical? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:59:33 PM 617 Views
It is not a black and white issue - 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM 969 Views
I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM 537 Views
I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM 563 Views
that's too obvious. - 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM 949 Views
You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit - 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM 960 Views
have you ever had a rabbit? - 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM 1005 Views
A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit - 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM 1029 Views
that's just what they want you to think. - 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM 889 Views
Viscous does not mean Magical - 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM 1084 Views
Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this: - 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM 1021 Views
definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina. - 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM 1102 Views
You could walk. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM 536 Views
Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away - 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM 1108 Views
7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM* - 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM 536 Views
probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless. - 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM 1003 Views
Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence. - 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM 954 Views
I really have no idea what the rules are. *NM* - 17/01/2012 03:02:04 PM 540 Views
Every state has its own rules - 17/01/2012 03:54:43 PM 997 Views
No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case - 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM 1011 Views
Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM 638 Views
that would be interesting. *NM* - 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM 553 Views
I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM 1023 Views
Re: I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM 960 Views
I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV - 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM 913 Views
Also passports work too in most places. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM 571 Views
those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM 444 Views
Non-driver IDs, as said above - 16/01/2012 11:55:55 PM 988 Views
they don't cost in all states. They are free in SC *NM* - 17/01/2012 12:00:14 AM 557 Views
It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM 1080 Views
That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM 1020 Views
Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem - 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM 982 Views
can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem? - 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM 909 Views
In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted - 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM 1142 Views
That's smoke and mirrors - 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM 1035 Views
It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point - 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM 974 Views
I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM 973 Views
Question for you - 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM 1013 Views
I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM 1151 Views
I tend to agree - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM 910 Views
I'd definitely encourage absentee voting - 16/01/2012 07:14:02 PM 1017 Views
I am required to produce a state ID to vote. - 16/01/2012 02:21:27 PM 1018 Views
Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM 1003 Views
Keep wearing that tinfoil hat. *NM* - 16/01/2012 03:09:56 PM 557 Views
I'm not reading the article but... - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM 942 Views
maybe there's no excuse in your area - 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM 903 Views
I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM 878 Views
that pretty much sums up my thoughts no it - 18/01/2012 08:57:41 PM 904 Views
Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM 1138 Views
Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM 1044 Views
Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM 1229 Views
Re: maybe there's no excuse in your area - 21/01/2012 02:39:12 AM 995 Views
What? I'm the only one who cares? - 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM 1084 Views
Yes, just you, the rest of us have been discussing baseball this entire time *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:41:25 AM 555 Views
I'm the only one who cares with fervor in a non nuanced way ok? *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:07:07 AM 543 Views
imo, fervor has no place in political discussion - 18/01/2012 02:35:56 PM 948 Views
What? - 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM 858 Views
What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before? - 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 1096 Views
the problem with that last point is... - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM 942 Views
Yes. - 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM 1104 Views
Cry me a river. Honestly. - 20/01/2012 05:28:05 AM 862 Views
What's your real question? - 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM 906 Views
Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question. - 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM 1000 Views
Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised. - 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM 1149 Views

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