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the problem with that last point is... LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM
I am ALL for making sure that everyone who CAN vote, does. However, you should also have to PROVE who you are. That is not an unreasonable request by the state.


It doesn't *sound* unreasonable, but it has scary effects. A lot of these laws vary from state to state and are very different. What if your only acceptable form of id has expired? What if you're not sure what exactly are your state's voter id laws and if you can meet them? It doesn't matter if the actual law seems to be perfectly fair and reasonable if the effect is that people who are on the fringes of society to begin with feel intimidated about voting (let alone if there are actual substantial barriers)


There will always be people on the fringes of society that feel intimidated about voting. Even if it's just the conspiracy theorists! So the trick becomes where you will draw the line, not IF you're going to draw the line.

Given that one of the reasons a lot of people in my demographic (18-24 white middle class) don't vote is that we feel our vote is useless. Such a feeling is compounded by the implications of voter fraud, as well as the feeling that a lot of people are voting that have NO IDEA WTF IS GOING ON. I'm not saying we should deny ignorant citizens the right to vote! But from that view point, yah you know what? If someone is too ignorant/lazy to go get an appropriate ID to vote, why SHOULD I care? That's just one less vote from someone who would place an uneducated vote likely based on the appearance of the candidate or (more likely) what party they were.

I definitely think that ID laws are okay in general. I think that the states requiring them should ALSO make sure acceptable forms of ID are as broad as possible (the example of the utility bill above is a good one), or if they are going to tighten down, they need to improve accessibility to acceptable forms of ID (ex. opening ID centers in accessible areas).

As far as just not knowing about the state laws, I see no reason why that should be a problem. You're not registered by default to vote, so when you go in to register they can just have a poster or a pamphlet or something.
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How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM 1931 Views
I certainly don't know. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:32:42 PM 538 Views
From what I understand ... - 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM 1042 Views
but you need a photo ID for so many other things - 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM 919 Views
Well. - 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM 1055 Views
your last bit is a good point *NM* - 15/01/2012 06:07:17 PM 578 Views
The SCOTUS disagrees with you. - 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM 891 Views
I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM* - 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM 675 Views
That is kind of pathetic. - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 837 Views
you are not taking my amazing good looks into account - 17/01/2012 11:22:16 AM 761 Views
I cannot speak to that. - 17/01/2012 04:11:53 PM 945 Views
It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is. - 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM 924 Views
That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM 515 Views
Did you read your own article? - 15/01/2012 05:48:21 PM 972 Views
but out of that 200,000, how many would go get an ID? - 15/01/2012 06:08:44 PM 936 Views
I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate... - 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM 864 Views
it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM 514 Views
Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID. - 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM 928 Views
This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM 536 Views
I'm magical? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:59:33 PM 609 Views
It is not a black and white issue - 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM 945 Views
I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM 525 Views
I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM 552 Views
that's too obvious. - 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM 922 Views
You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit - 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM 936 Views
have you ever had a rabbit? - 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM 980 Views
A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit - 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM 994 Views
that's just what they want you to think. - 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM 866 Views
Viscous does not mean Magical - 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM 1062 Views
Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this: - 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM 1001 Views
definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina. - 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM 1074 Views
You could walk. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM 524 Views
Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away - 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM 1083 Views
7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM* - 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM 528 Views
probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless. - 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM 979 Views
Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence. - 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM 931 Views
I really have no idea what the rules are. *NM* - 17/01/2012 03:02:04 PM 530 Views
Every state has its own rules - 17/01/2012 03:54:43 PM 965 Views
No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case - 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM 982 Views
Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM 631 Views
that would be interesting. *NM* - 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM 542 Views
I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM 997 Views
Re: I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM 932 Views
I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV - 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM 887 Views
Also passports work too in most places. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM 558 Views
those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM 435 Views
Non-driver IDs, as said above - 16/01/2012 11:55:55 PM 963 Views
they don't cost in all states. They are free in SC *NM* - 17/01/2012 12:00:14 AM 547 Views
It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM 1059 Views
That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM 990 Views
Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem - 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM 956 Views
can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem? - 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM 884 Views
In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted - 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM 1110 Views
That's smoke and mirrors - 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM 1012 Views
It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point - 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM 946 Views
I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM 946 Views
Question for you - 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM 991 Views
I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM 1124 Views
I tend to agree - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM 884 Views
I'd definitely encourage absentee voting - 16/01/2012 07:14:02 PM 977 Views
I am required to produce a state ID to vote. - 16/01/2012 02:21:27 PM 996 Views
Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM 981 Views
Keep wearing that tinfoil hat. *NM* - 16/01/2012 03:09:56 PM 548 Views
I'm not reading the article but... - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM 920 Views
maybe there's no excuse in your area - 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM 864 Views
I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM 852 Views
that pretty much sums up my thoughts no it - 18/01/2012 08:57:41 PM 882 Views
Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM 1116 Views
Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM 1018 Views
Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM 1206 Views
Re: maybe there's no excuse in your area - 21/01/2012 02:39:12 AM 963 Views
What? I'm the only one who cares? - 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM 1063 Views
Yes, just you, the rest of us have been discussing baseball this entire time *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:41:25 AM 546 Views
I'm the only one who cares with fervor in a non nuanced way ok? *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:07:07 AM 536 Views
imo, fervor has no place in political discussion - 18/01/2012 02:35:56 PM 924 Views
What? - 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM 840 Views
What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before? - 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 1072 Views
the problem with that last point is... - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM 914 Views
Yes. - 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM 1080 Views
Cry me a river. Honestly. - 20/01/2012 05:28:05 AM 834 Views
What's your real question? - 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM 884 Views
Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question. - 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM 980 Views
Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised. - 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM 1123 Views

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