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Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. callandor1000 Send a noteboard - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM
I also think it's fair for opponents of the photo ID requirement to point out how it might disproportionately affect certain segments who can less easily absorb/overcome the additional complication for lack of a better word.


I don't understand how you can go about everyday life without having an ID. Its not needed only for voting. We're not asking for a special ID for voting. We're asking for an ID that allows you to do things from buy cigarettes/alcohol and apply for a job to use your bank/credit card and hell, sometimes even EBT card. There are many instances where it is needed in everyday life. To be so irresponsible as to not have one for any extended period of time is outright inexcusable and shameful.

I can understand arguments about having trouble getting replacements, or renewing them exactly on time. But to go an extended period of time without them I can't understand. Its called responsibility. I was raised (quite recently, being 24) that you take responsibility for yourself and act as an adult when you become one. Was I raised incorrectly?


You see it as irresponsible because you can't imagine not needing one to live your life, so you see it as something that should be prioritized. But it's all too possible to live without one (or at least without a photo ID specifically). Plenty of people don't buy alcohol or tobacco ;) and plenty of people are able to buy them without an ID. There's a whole separate financial culture that doesn't use banks at all but survives on money orders, payday lenders, and other shady sorts of ripoffs. Of course it's better for people to have a valid photo ID at all times, and it just makes sense to do so. I also have no problem with there being consequences for choosing not to have one for whatever reason. I'm just not convinced that taking away their ability to vote should be one of them (although I'm also not convinced requiring a photo ID would do that, to be honest).


We've come to realize that some people don't have IDs so that they can't get in trouble when caught doing something illegal. Like when we chase someone down for stealing and make them empty their pockets, its infinitely harder to ID them without... well... an ID. Its effective. We may then ridicule them for being poor but, you know...

Your mom. That's right. The cat is out of the bag. Your mom.

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How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM 1929 Views
I certainly don't know. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:32:42 PM 538 Views
From what I understand ... - 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM 1040 Views
but you need a photo ID for so many other things - 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM 919 Views
Well. - 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM 1055 Views
your last bit is a good point *NM* - 15/01/2012 06:07:17 PM 578 Views
The SCOTUS disagrees with you. - 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM 891 Views
I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM* - 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM 675 Views
That is kind of pathetic. - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 837 Views
you are not taking my amazing good looks into account - 17/01/2012 11:22:16 AM 761 Views
I cannot speak to that. - 17/01/2012 04:11:53 PM 945 Views
It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is. - 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM 924 Views
That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM 515 Views
Did you read your own article? - 15/01/2012 05:48:21 PM 972 Views
but out of that 200,000, how many would go get an ID? - 15/01/2012 06:08:44 PM 936 Views
I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate... - 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM 861 Views
it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM 512 Views
Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID. - 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM 927 Views
This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM 536 Views
I'm magical? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:59:33 PM 607 Views
It is not a black and white issue - 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM 943 Views
I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM 524 Views
I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM 551 Views
that's too obvious. - 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM 922 Views
You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit - 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM 933 Views
have you ever had a rabbit? - 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM 980 Views
A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit - 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM 992 Views
that's just what they want you to think. - 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM 866 Views
Viscous does not mean Magical - 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM 1062 Views
Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this: - 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM 1001 Views
definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina. - 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM 1072 Views
You could walk. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM 524 Views
Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away - 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM 1081 Views
7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM* - 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM 527 Views
probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless. - 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM 977 Views
Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence. - 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM 931 Views
I really have no idea what the rules are. *NM* - 17/01/2012 03:02:04 PM 529 Views
Every state has its own rules - 17/01/2012 03:54:43 PM 964 Views
No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case - 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM 982 Views
Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM 631 Views
that would be interesting. *NM* - 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM 541 Views
I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM 997 Views
Re: I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM 932 Views
I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV - 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM 885 Views
Also passports work too in most places. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM 558 Views
those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM 435 Views
Non-driver IDs, as said above - 16/01/2012 11:55:55 PM 961 Views
they don't cost in all states. They are free in SC *NM* - 17/01/2012 12:00:14 AM 547 Views
It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM 1057 Views
That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM 990 Views
Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem - 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM 954 Views
can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem? - 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM 884 Views
In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted - 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM 1110 Views
That's smoke and mirrors - 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM 1011 Views
It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point - 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM 944 Views
I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM 944 Views
Question for you - 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM 990 Views
I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM 1123 Views
I tend to agree - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM 883 Views
I'd definitely encourage absentee voting - 16/01/2012 07:14:02 PM 975 Views
I am required to produce a state ID to vote. - 16/01/2012 02:21:27 PM 994 Views
Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM 980 Views
Keep wearing that tinfoil hat. *NM* - 16/01/2012 03:09:56 PM 547 Views
I'm not reading the article but... - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM 919 Views
maybe there's no excuse in your area - 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM 864 Views
I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM 850 Views
that pretty much sums up my thoughts no it - 18/01/2012 08:57:41 PM 881 Views
Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM 1114 Views
Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM 1018 Views
Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM 1204 Views
Re: maybe there's no excuse in your area - 21/01/2012 02:39:12 AM 963 Views
What? I'm the only one who cares? - 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM 1062 Views
Yes, just you, the rest of us have been discussing baseball this entire time *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:41:25 AM 546 Views
I'm the only one who cares with fervor in a non nuanced way ok? *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:07:07 AM 536 Views
imo, fervor has no place in political discussion - 18/01/2012 02:35:56 PM 923 Views
What? - 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM 838 Views
What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before? - 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 1071 Views
the problem with that last point is... - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM 912 Views
Yes. - 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM 1080 Views
Cry me a river. Honestly. - 20/01/2012 05:28:05 AM 833 Views
What's your real question? - 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM 883 Views
Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question. - 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM 979 Views
Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised. - 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM 1122 Views

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