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"The employees can then buy the coverage directly from an insurer." Joel Send a noteboard - 11/02/2012 01:25:52 AM
That, according to the article I linked, is how HI (the model it says Obama is using for his surrender) deals with this. Insurance companies are not in the business of giving things away for free, and do not dispense drugs or healthcare anyway: They just pay for it, in part. If forced. Grudgingly. At great cost to policy holders. Those are the core the problems with US healthcare, and why Obamas "healthcare reform" is such an absurd misnomer.

This controversy just highlights that much deeper problem with Obamas healthcare law (or rather, the one the insurance lobby wrote and he signed.) Since the First Amendment prevents the US government forcing religious institutions to pay for things their doctrine opposes, their employees who can afford it are "free" to purchase coverage directly from insurers. "Purchasing coverage" is still a LONG way from "free medicine." It would not be free in any case, because nothing is, but a single payer plan would dramatically lower costs and increase access, as it has in every other country that adopted such a plan, without unconstitutionally forcing private entities to directly finance acts violating their religious beliefs.
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Democrats bailing on Obama - War against the Catholic Church heats up - 09/02/2012 04:03:35 AM 2007 Views
This is not a war on Catholics, it is Obama being an idiot again. - 09/02/2012 04:52:01 AM 1039 Views
For someone who used to be a Con Law professor - 10/02/2012 08:23:34 PM 949 Views
Also, kudos for linking to a source, and a fairly non-partisan one as well. - 09/02/2012 01:33:07 PM 1118 Views
I am a non-partisan guy, so I only use unbiased sources! *NM* - 09/02/2012 04:02:50 PM 712 Views
Is there really such a thing? *NM* - 09/02/2012 04:11:30 PM 616 Views
You lost all credibility in the first line of your post. - 09/02/2012 04:49:23 PM 1066 Views
The subject line didn't help. *NM* - 09/02/2012 06:04:11 PM 659 Views
But it added some flair to the discussion! *NM* - 09/02/2012 07:46:47 PM 597 Views
You actually think any of us has 'credibility' anymore in regards to neutrality? *NM* - 09/02/2012 06:46:13 PM 596 Views
It's one thing to have a bias. - 09/02/2012 07:28:51 PM 1108 Views
Some would say putting a spotlight on it is more honest. *NM* - 09/02/2012 09:34:17 PM 572 Views
Ah, the Rupert Murdoch School of Objectivity. - 09/02/2012 10:15:57 PM 1026 Views
Wow, talk about making a supernova out of a couple hydrogen atoms. - 09/02/2012 08:41:44 PM 890 Views
I'm somewhat suprised that Obama blundered this badly. - 10/02/2012 01:40:14 AM 1914 Views
Why? Have you not been paying attention? - 10/02/2012 02:03:43 AM 2359 Views
If I am not satisfied with Romney then my Plan B is to not vote. - 10/02/2012 10:58:34 PM 2410 Views
How does that help anything? Except Romneys election chances, of course. - 11/02/2012 01:08:22 AM 2211 Views
Bullshit. - 11/02/2012 04:29:31 AM 2567 Views
A vote for no one is a vote for more BS. - 11/02/2012 05:55:11 AM 2295 Views
Obama doing this actually impresses me to no end. - 10/02/2012 02:21:10 AM 2466 Views
He is already preparing to cave. - 10/02/2012 02:42:32 AM 2432 Views
Why are you even replying to me? What you said has little meaning to what I said. - 10/02/2012 03:33:27 AM 2224 Views
"And here I thought he was just another politician." - 10/02/2012 01:29:36 PM 2314 Views
Aaaaand you can put your hat back on now: Obama has already caved. - 10/02/2012 04:04:30 PM 2443 Views
No, you don't have to buy it from insurers. You get it for free, just like everyone else will. *NM* - 10/02/2012 09:55:53 PM 1937 Views
"The employees can then buy the coverage directly from an insurer." - 11/02/2012 01:25:52 AM 2455 Views
So Jehovah Witness employers should not have to pay for blood transfusions? - 10/02/2012 03:57:47 AM 1008 Views
Not if it conflicts with their religious beliefs. - 10/02/2012 04:20:32 PM 1180 Views
Money is not the same as speech! - 10/02/2012 07:20:56 PM 905 Views
No it isn't Joel, empirically you are dead wrong - 10/02/2012 11:24:19 PM 1177 Views
One last point - 10/02/2012 11:35:25 PM 1264 Views
The federal government forcing private groups to facilitate without committing sin also infringes. - 11/02/2012 01:03:30 AM 1005 Views
You argument does not make sense - 11/02/2012 01:26:57 AM 887 Views
It was an analogy, not an equivalency. - 11/02/2012 01:48:14 AM 1010 Views
Lets enhance your analogy making it closer to reality - 11/02/2012 02:19:41 AM 1156 Views
Why could I not buy it with my own money? - 11/02/2012 03:46:33 AM 1130 Views
Re: Why could I not buy it with my own money? - 11/02/2012 04:17:17 AM 2338 Views
In other words, I could. - 11/02/2012 04:21:05 AM 844 Views
Some more points - 11/02/2012 02:30:27 AM 1152 Views
Sex is not a necessity either. - 11/02/2012 03:56:51 AM 1139 Views
I can't believe you just said that - 11/02/2012 04:30:12 AM 926 Views
The widespread inability to believe that is deeply worrisome. - 11/02/2012 06:33:01 AM 1142 Views
LMAO due to Obama's compromise (the word compromise should have a in it ) - 11/02/2012 12:12:57 AM 1173 Views
Obama just got two weeks of being portrayed as "anti-church" to the point even Dems complained. - 11/02/2012 02:00:28 AM 1076 Views
The polls disagree with you. - 11/02/2012 02:32:59 AM 1007 Views
It is an interesting article, but not for the polls. - 11/02/2012 04:18:17 AM 1097 Views
I wouldn't put too much into that poll anyway - 11/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 1179 Views
I haven't really heard about it outside of this post, so the negative exposure can't be too bad. - 11/02/2012 05:56:58 PM 886 Views
you have, sort of. - 11/02/2012 08:23:25 PM 1145 Views
I don't think it's quite the laughing matter you think it is - 11/02/2012 12:31:23 PM 1050 Views
Nossy that was not Joel, that was me - 11/02/2012 01:56:39 PM 1065 Views
I know that. - 11/02/2012 03:23:32 PM 1108 Views
Understood. - 11/02/2012 07:51:14 PM 998 Views
mmm... - 11/02/2012 08:20:26 PM 1082 Views

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