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I don't favor spanking but the studies 'debunking it' are mostly 'bunk' Isaac Send a noteboard - 24/05/2013 10:29:28 PM

"Random university publishes half-assed study with poor controls and a small sample claims possible implications which can not realistically be measured accurately" is pretty much the alternate title of them.

I can't even remember having been spanked as a kid though my mother tells me she tried it a few times and a bit more with my elder sister, and neither of us grew up to be criminals or bad citizens, so I'm hardly an advocate of 'spare the rod, spoil the child' but lets not go throwing around implications that real hard science has proven that corporal punishment is never useful and always harmful, because it hasn't.



The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein

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Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? - 23/05/2013 03:55:28 AM 3038 Views
Nah, you're just a bigot. *NM* - 23/05/2013 08:21:33 AM 994 Views
Yes, I am against religions that call for violence. *NM* - 23/05/2013 12:23:31 PM 894 Views
Wasn't aware you were against Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Shinto... *NM* - 23/05/2013 12:59:04 PM 953 Views
Where does Christianity call for violence? - 23/05/2013 03:55:11 PM 1527 Views
Dueteronomy 13: 1-5 states that you must kill prophets of other religions. - 23/05/2013 07:44:48 PM 1635 Views
The Old Testament is not Christianity. It is where Christianity CAME from. *NM* - 23/05/2013 09:25:12 PM 907 Views
FALSE! - 24/05/2013 01:41:50 PM 1644 Views
*sigh* And in fulfilling the "law" he created a new covenant which supplanted the old.. - 24/05/2013 06:09:43 PM 1584 Views
All the death of Christ did was attone for the sins of the world. - 26/05/2013 03:00:26 AM 1822 Views
Sorry, you are wrong. - 28/05/2013 04:17:51 PM 1619 Views
No. The New Covenant SUPPLEMENTS, not supplants, the Old. - 12/08/2013 02:45:55 AM 1907 Views
Ok....and? - 23/05/2013 10:36:55 PM 1488 Views
You might want to slap some qualifiers on there *NM* - 23/05/2013 07:50:43 PM 943 Views
Actually, I very intentionally didn't put any qualifiers on that... - 23/05/2013 10:38:24 PM 1558 Views
The Cleansing of the Temple shows a legitimized use of physical force. *NM* - 24/05/2013 05:05:55 AM 978 Views
Oh, boo hoo.... - 24/05/2013 03:50:18 PM 1604 Views
LOL. - 24/05/2013 04:45:50 PM 1538 Views
Violence.... - 24/05/2013 05:32:47 PM 1585 Views
Whipping people to drive them away of something is violence. It's not negotiable. - 24/05/2013 06:06:42 PM 1417 Views
You are something... - 24/05/2013 06:29:03 PM 1475 Views
Also, spanking has been pretty soundly debunked as good parenting. Maybe not a good analogy. *NM* - 24/05/2013 06:16:18 PM 947 Views
Because children are more behaved now.... - 24/05/2013 06:21:43 PM 1457 Views
I don't favor spanking but the studies 'debunking it' are mostly 'bunk' - 24/05/2013 10:29:28 PM 1548 Views
Yes. - 24/05/2013 10:42:51 PM 1469 Views
Re: Yes. - 25/05/2013 12:22:56 AM 1554 Views
You know better than that. - 25/05/2013 06:52:32 AM 1538 Views
I think you just claimed that my statement as to my opinion is anecdotal evidence of that opinion - 25/05/2013 09:26:21 AM 1634 Views
I was talking about your reference to your upbringing as relevant to the statistical trend. *NM* - 25/05/2013 09:49:19 AM 887 Views
Yes, but I wasn't claiming it was relevant in that way - 25/05/2013 10:15:52 AM 1493 Views
... ? *NM* - 25/05/2013 12:58:43 PM 931 Views
I couldn't remember the code for *NM* - 25/05/2013 07:57:48 PM 879 Views
I wouldn't belong to any other kind of religion. - 25/05/2013 01:21:45 AM 1519 Views
And the night was finished with a mob of white men attacking the police in the name of bigotry - 23/05/2013 09:51:02 AM 1416 Views
In the name of a religion that preaches violence? - 23/05/2013 12:21:59 PM 1587 Views
Islam "preaches" violence just about as much as Christianity does. - 23/05/2013 12:46:00 PM 1538 Views
it's actually pretty funny because many people understand Islam to, derivatively, mean peace - 23/05/2013 01:44:18 PM 1542 Views
Your argument is logically flawed - 23/05/2013 02:02:33 PM 1625 Views
Re: Your argument is logically flawed - 23/05/2013 02:34:22 PM 1642 Views
No, it actaully does not. - 23/05/2013 01:51:51 PM 1597 Views
Maybe they will be, I don't know, KILLED for standing up - 23/05/2013 02:24:59 PM 1439 Views
Exactly - 23/05/2013 03:52:25 PM 1529 Views
Couple of things - 23/05/2013 08:13:57 PM 1866 Views
Unfortunately they are NOT consistant in their messaging... see my link - 23/05/2013 09:30:53 PM 1690 Views
Really? Of all the criticisms you could make of Qaradawi, you whine about that? - 23/05/2013 09:58:50 PM 1539 Views
I think the key point there is that the MCB supported him for a visa in spite of that... - 23/05/2013 11:05:14 PM 1548 Views
So much for my attempt to bring a little levity to things. - 24/05/2013 08:07:24 PM 1575 Views
My ability to detect humor and sarcasm in writing is very sporadic - 24/05/2013 10:28:03 PM 1412 Views
That's a shame. - 24/05/2013 11:55:37 PM 1391 Views
Re: That's a shame. - 25/05/2013 02:25:31 AM 1418 Views
Re: That's a shame. - 25/05/2013 12:17:13 PM 1383 Views
Sure, I'll bite. - 23/05/2013 09:23:54 PM 1583 Views
Until the "unwashed masses" no longer show up dancing in the streets... - 23/05/2013 09:40:59 PM 1479 Views
I hope you like black and white. - 23/05/2013 09:50:03 PM 1395 Views
Not sure which point you think I missed that I should have responded to... - 24/05/2013 01:52:20 AM 1479 Views
I think I must have confused you. - 24/05/2013 08:46:42 PM 1385 Views
I suppose that depends on which "points" precisely you thought you were making. - 23/05/2013 09:54:55 PM 1455 Views
Not really - 24/05/2013 02:36:41 AM 1483 Views
Yawn. Bored now. - 24/05/2013 08:18:27 PM 1432 Views
whatever *NM* - 28/05/2013 04:18:56 PM 827 Views
Do "unwashed masses" publicly APOLOGIZING for terrorism count? - 12/08/2013 03:04:56 AM 1730 Views
Re: No, it actaully does not. - 24/05/2013 02:29:04 AM 1597 Views
Now let's not start with bullshit here - 23/05/2013 01:54:48 PM 1816 Views
Tom, this is a rare occurance when we agree. - 23/05/2013 03:59:49 PM 1402 Views
That may be so, but the response was addressed to Ben. - 23/05/2013 04:13:47 PM 1512 Views
Oops, my bad messed up reading the discussion tree... - 23/05/2013 06:15:34 PM 1480 Views
I don't approve of a great deal of popular Islamic thought. - 24/05/2013 05:13:51 AM 1669 Views
My thoughts exactly. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:13:18 AM 836 Views
I agree. *NM* - 24/05/2013 12:05:46 PM 899 Views
Do you think that it will truly happen? - 24/05/2013 05:47:50 PM 1587 Views
Might have something to do with colonialists ruining everything they can get their hands on. - 24/05/2013 06:09:13 PM 1502 Views
Oh, so its our fault... - 24/05/2013 06:38:14 PM 1463 Views
It's always our fault *NM* - 24/05/2013 07:40:24 PM 1024 Views
In general, I agree - 24/05/2013 09:01:53 PM 1626 Views
That word "our" is interesting, don't you think? - 24/05/2013 09:09:24 PM 1502 Views
That was beautiful. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:12:09 PM 947 Views
No, Ghavrel was doing that - 25/05/2013 12:03:09 AM 1558 Views
I'm sure we all do it, that's kind of the point. - 25/05/2013 12:26:25 AM 1388 Views
but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 25/05/2013 02:20:21 AM 1606 Views
Exactly. - 25/05/2013 06:26:57 AM 1538 Views
Hyperbole? - 25/05/2013 09:57:56 PM 1386 Views
Has anyone ever told you that? - 25/05/2013 10:33:32 PM 1644 Views
No, I really don't think so. - 25/05/2013 11:18:05 AM 1450 Views
*bashes face against keyboard in frustration* - 25/05/2013 09:28:58 PM 1405 Views
Perhaps I should bow out and let Ghavrel speak for himself, then. - 25/05/2013 09:53:28 PM 1570 Views
It's accurate. *NM* - 25/05/2013 10:25:04 PM 912 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 25/05/2013 09:49:48 PM 1471 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 26/05/2013 12:48:45 AM 1581 Views
Hm - 26/05/2013 10:10:49 AM 1534 Views
Also, yeah. Historically oppressive groups aren't equal to historically oppressed groups. - 25/05/2013 10:31:58 PM 1548 Views
Too simplistic AND a blatant justification for double standards I thought you didn't have - 26/05/2013 01:02:07 AM 1492 Views
That's not racism. Racism requires systematic oppression. *NM* - 26/05/2013 01:14:08 AM 895 Views
No - 26/05/2013 01:57:11 AM 1551 Views
Where whitey firmly belongs, in no small part because of posts like that. - 26/05/2013 02:00:59 AM 1499 Views
Lulz, you're claiming every member of a group deserves something because of what I said? - 26/05/2013 02:11:36 AM 1491 Views
And now you know how Muslims feel. *NM* - 26/05/2013 03:48:33 AM 942 Views
I already knew - 26/05/2013 04:02:02 AM 1427 Views
No. - 25/05/2013 10:28:24 PM 1459 Views
What a load of bullshit. - 25/05/2013 06:14:02 AM 1467 Views
This is why I want to get the HELL out of there. - 12/08/2013 04:16:39 AM 1614 Views
The difference with Islam is they lost the empire game but they were conquers - 27/05/2013 12:42:05 AM 1594 Views
I'm gonna have to disagree with some of that. - 27/05/2013 07:06:53 PM 1448 Views
Yes it was very complex and the Crusaders were not saints (even the sainted ones) - 29/05/2013 04:15:57 AM 1550 Views
Fair enough on all counts, then. *NM* - 29/05/2013 07:37:34 PM 872 Views
Some of my ancestors lived and caved and bashed each over the heads with rocks - 26/05/2013 04:38:56 PM 1494 Views
Well yes. - 26/05/2013 05:08:08 PM 1438 Views
I would prefer to say that - 27/05/2013 01:26:57 AM 1641 Views
Of course you would. - 27/05/2013 10:19:46 AM 1549 Views
I in no way support profiling people based on race or religion - 29/05/2013 04:11:01 AM 1647 Views
Ok. - 29/05/2013 08:54:34 PM 1642 Views
I think about the evolution of Western religion a lot. - 12/08/2013 03:23:37 AM 1876 Views
There has been 14,000+ terrorist actions in the name of Islam since 9/11. - 24/05/2013 03:30:30 AM 1700 Views
That isn't a grown up answer. - 23/05/2013 04:35:16 PM 1558 Views
Re: In the name of a religion that preaches violence? - 23/05/2013 07:28:42 PM 1538 Views
His head will only be chopped off is he draws or insults Muhammad! *NM* - 24/05/2013 03:34:21 AM 930 Views
What does he have to do to get on TV? *NM* - 24/05/2013 07:45:53 PM 866 Views
Statistically - 24/05/2013 10:22:29 AM 1603 Views
What kind of horrifying bugs to you guys HAVE over there??? - 24/05/2013 02:13:23 PM 1592 Views
Hardly any - 24/05/2013 02:16:46 PM 1715 Views
I think probably not. - 23/05/2013 07:57:53 PM 1498 Views
See Tom's post above for the facts..... *NM* - 24/05/2013 03:36:18 AM 857 Views
That your original post was absurd? Thank you, but I got that on my own. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:09:21 PM 846 Views
It shows what a silly little fool you are, but that's your choice. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:19:04 PM 853 Views
Hey man, you're the one who told me Tom's post had the facts. - 24/05/2013 09:20:53 PM 1431 Views
It means exactly what I said. He did a great job! *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:23:44 PM 889 Views
Yes, he did. - 24/05/2013 09:30:42 PM 1458 Views
Also, don't tell him I said I take him seriously. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:34:59 PM 921 Views
But wouldn't religion-based profile activities... - 23/05/2013 10:54:33 PM 1399 Views
My brain is slow right now, but I think I completely agree. - 23/05/2013 11:00:31 PM 1521 Views
You mean like this? - 24/05/2013 08:15:16 PM 1615 Views
Sorry bu the comparison isn't valid - 25/05/2013 09:50:34 PM 1443 Views
+1 - Larry is an honest guy and will realize his error. *NM* - 25/05/2013 10:53:14 PM 875 Views
Numbers alone do not change the validity of such - 25/05/2013 11:15:17 PM 1498 Views
Yes it does. - 26/05/2013 12:23:27 AM 1499 Views
*sigh* - 26/05/2013 12:46:49 AM 1367 Views
no liberalisn is sane and well thought in comparison - 26/05/2013 04:04:39 PM 1416 Views
no but they do tell a story - 26/05/2013 04:27:26 PM 1327 Views
UPDATE - Cleric/Teacher of one of the murderers praises him for "courage". - 24/05/2013 09:22:24 PM 1504 Views
Do you have a functional link? *NM* - 25/05/2013 12:19:01 AM 895 Views
The link works for me (Yahoo news) - here is the text. - 25/05/2013 02:05:41 AM 1686 Views
Re: Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? - 27/05/2013 02:28:31 PM 2228 Views
Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 27/05/2013 03:22:41 PM 1565 Views
Just as a little aside - 28/05/2013 12:51:48 AM 1434 Views
Ever helpful. - 28/05/2013 10:23:12 PM 1645 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 28/05/2013 04:56:55 PM 2210 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 28/05/2013 10:18:40 PM 1613 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 29/05/2013 08:57:17 PM 2183 Views
I'm having warm feelings. - 29/05/2013 09:38:45 PM 1588 Views
Re: I'm having warm feelings. - 30/05/2013 12:46:57 AM 2003 Views
"Who else? Major League Baseball. " - 12/08/2013 04:34:48 AM 1823 Views
I can't believe I missed this thread. *NM* - 01/06/2013 10:08:08 AM 1191 Views
How much did you miss it, really? - 12/08/2013 04:38:21 AM 1533 Views

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