The Bush administration tried Reid, Padilla, and Moussaoui, who was charged in the same conspiracy as KSM, in a civilian court and they are now rotting behind bars for the rest of their lives. The fact of the matter is, not one of you can provide any credible legal or moral justification for not trying terrorists in civilian court.
Graham's Miranda question was specious. Of course soldiers in the field wouldn't read rights upon apprehension - that's not their jurisdiction. A distinction is made between detention and custody - once a suspect is turned over to the civilian law enforcement system, preferably not after languishing in a detention center for eight years because the administration in office can't close the deal on a conviction, he may be apprised of his Miranda rights.
But Miranda only applies to custodial interrogations anyway. Now let's use Osama Bin Ladin as an example. There is plenty of evidence already in U.S. possession to convict Osama bin Laden even without interrogating him. Though the CIA would probably interrogate him for intelligence purposes it's doubtful the FBI would even bother.
			
		
	
	If Lindsey Graham, a former Army legal prosecutor, is worried about Miranda rights, then I'd say it's much more likely that you're the one who doesn't understand their application.  Where did you go to law school, by the way?
Graham's Miranda question was specious. Of course soldiers in the field wouldn't read rights upon apprehension - that's not their jurisdiction. A distinction is made between detention and custody - once a suspect is turned over to the civilian law enforcement system, preferably not after languishing in a detention center for eight years because the administration in office can't close the deal on a conviction, he may be apprised of his Miranda rights.
But Miranda only applies to custodial interrogations anyway. Now let's use Osama Bin Ladin as an example. There is plenty of evidence already in U.S. possession to convict Osama bin Laden even without interrogating him. Though the CIA would probably interrogate him for intelligence purposes it's doubtful the FBI would even bother.
			No need to interrogate Osama bin Laden?
	    
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			oO uhm, what?
	    
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			If they're tried INSIDE the US, then yes, they are entitled to due process.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 01:44:08 AM
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			Yeah, a lot of people were fuzzy on that till this started.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 09:30:39 AM
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			on the other hand, we're more than willing to take them out back with a confession.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 06:34:12 PM
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			New York is now asking for $75 MILLION for the KSM trial
	    
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			If this trial were being held in any other country
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 01:56:07 AM
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			It's a terrible precedent no matter how you look at it.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 02:13:46 AM
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			It IS a terrible precdent, hence you and others are citing it 65 years after WWII ended.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 09:23:45 AM
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			Spare me the bullshit.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 01:57:16 PM
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			I will if you will.  - 20/11/2009 02:55:30 PM
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			No, you won't.  You never will.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 06:14:30 PM
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			You're putting your cart before your horse is the problem.
	    
	         - 23/11/2009 05:40:46 AM
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			You don't think this is a military struggle? Wow.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 02:52:26 PM
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			Allow me to point out...
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 03:02:33 PM
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			That's the thing, they aren't a terrorist group
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 04:54:31 PM
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			It would help if you would offer any argument in favour of your stance.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 08:43:08 PM
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			I only use the word army cause I can't think of a better one  - 21/11/2009 04:32:01 AM
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			Military struggles involve militaries.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 03:23:14 PM
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			Once again, bullshit.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 06:09:31 PM
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			This is wrong
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 07:41:35 PM
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			We're a long way from the shore of Tripoli.
	    
	         - 23/11/2009 05:59:19 AM
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			Your little diatribe in the beginning only makes me glad...
	    
	         - 22/11/2009 05:32:57 AM
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			I understand your "jihadist narrative"
	    
	         - 22/11/2009 06:36:41 PM
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			No you don't
	    
	         - 22/11/2009 11:16:18 PM
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			Oh, so you know better than Army attorneys about Miranda rights?
	    
	         - 22/11/2009 11:52:00 PM
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			I can explain it to you right now if you want?
		
	         - 23/11/2009 08:21:48 AM
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			Credible legal and moral justifications for not trying terrorists in civilian court:
	    
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			Re: Credible legal and moral justifications for not trying terrorists in civilian court:
	    
	         - 24/11/2009 04:55:12 AM
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			I'm glad that you will never be in a position where a decision you make can affect my life.
	    
	         - 23/11/2009 12:27:35 AM
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			Actually people of my thinking are already making decisions that affect your life.
	    
	         - 23/11/2009 08:29:24 AM
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			Please explain to me how military tribunals compromise my principles?
	    
	         - 24/11/2009 02:54:18 AM
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			And your little hyperbolic rant would make more sense if it were grounded in reality.
	    
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			Looks like we'll get a Not Guilty plea, and a defense focusing on condeming US foreign policy
	    
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			They'll publicly accuse us of tyranny and brutality in front of a jury and without  our censorship.
	    
	         - 23/11/2009 08:27:13 AM
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			My main objection is the awful precedent set by trying prisoners of war here in America.
	    
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			"My main objection is the awful precedent set by trying prisoners of war here in America. "
	    
	         - 24/11/2009 06:57:34 AM
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			We've had Mohammed in custody for over 6 years...
	    
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			I've already responded to your absurd statements, but let me reiterate a few here
	    
	         - 23/11/2009 02:59:09 PM
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			And I've responded to yours
	    
	         - 24/11/2009 04:57:58 AM
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			It's not, at least for me, that we feel the civilian courts are inadequate
	    
	         - 24/11/2009 05:28:51 AM
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			Good analysis of the situation.
	    
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			It isn't about sending a message. It's about horrible war fighting strategy.
	    
	         - 24/11/2009 02:59:31 AM
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			No.  It's about not using a horribly ineffective strategy just to send a message to terrorists.
	    
	         - 24/11/2009 09:29:06 AM
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			enemy combatants and terrorists  - 23/11/2009 08:03:25 PM
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			They're not different because from the Third World, but because terrorists.
	    
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