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Not to mention, the Ottomans are relative latecomers to the Muslims of the region Cannoli Send a noteboard - 24/05/2017 11:31:06 AM


The other problem in the Near East in particular is that there is no sense of national identity for most people in what is called the Arab World (a misnomer, considering Iraqis are descendants of the Babylonians and Assyrians, just like Egyptians are descended from the people who built the pyramids, and so on).

But Arabic is a significant language in the area. IDK how much Arab blood got spread through the populations in their conquests, but since Arabic is roughly to Islam the way Latin was to Catholicism or Hebrew to Judaism, not to mention the religion being a method of transmitting Arabic culture to those other peoples, it might not be as inaccurrate as a strictly geneological analysis of the population might indicate. It's like them calling the Crusaders "Franks". However technically errant the term, the Crusaders were cultural and spiritual descendants of Charlemagne, whose grandfather achieved the first significant western victory against Islamic expansion.
Loyalty is first to clan, then to religion. That's why Syria is such a shitshow right now - Assad is being propped up by the Alawis, Iranians and Hezbollah because his enemies are Sunni (though the Iranians have a national identity, unlike everyone to the West of them,
Hey! Those states go back AT LEAST as far as the ancient and honored traditions of the Ukranian government! We're coming up on a whole century of those lines existing on some maps.
Hezbollah is a great example of the clan, then religion mentality). Sunnis in Iraq decided to support ISIS because they hate the Shia. The Kurds, another group with national identity even though they have no country, don't think of their home as Iraq - it's Kurdistan.

That's a very roundabout way of saying that religion is the key mover in the region because national identity, the other "natural" unifying factor in a society, is totally absent. And it's the Ottomans who suppressed it.

Which worked out pretty well at the time. Almost like breaking up multi-ethnic empires that had lasted for centuries wasn't a good idea... National identities or not, the region was constantly subjected to invasions and migrations with the Ottomans simply the last ones in before gunpower became a thing and suddenly a band of barbarian horsemen was no longer sufficent to establish themselves as a power within a civilization. The Ottomans were the ones in charge when established states got the upper hand, and were simply more successful than prior conquerors & displacers in getting it done.
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