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At this point we're just arguing about perspective, seems to me. Legolas Send a noteboard - 28/05/2017 07:11:55 PM

View original postThe fact that these people speak Arabic in various dialects with varying degrees of mutual intelligibility does not make them a single entity. No unifying consciousness binds them together - not language, not national borders, not shared history and not even religion. They don't feel a connection to one another. The phrase "Arab world" is a complete misnomer. Syrian Alawis feel a stronger connection to "non-Arab" (i.e., people who don't speak Arabic, because Syrians aren't Arabs) Persians, while Syrian Sunnis seem to have an affinity for "non-Arab" Turks.

It's evident that the many Arabic-speaking countries don't constitute a single political entity, haven't done so since a very long time ago, and very likely never will again. Pan-Arabism still exists but as a marginal phenomenon without real influence.

But it's equally evident that there are still linguistic and cultural ties binding them together, since after all their written language remains the same, even if that's a bit artificial and ideologically motivated. They still have a largely shared literature, movie industry, popular music and I might add a remarkable fondness for Eurovision-like TV contests between the different Arab countries in music and poetry. And then there are also some limited political and economic cooperation agreements, such as the Arab League and the GAFTA (Greater Arab Free Trade Area).

None of those things makes them a single nation, or even a closely allied group of nations like the European Union (the Arab League, I think we all agree, is utterly useless); but they do make them a clearly distinct group of nations of the kind that is sometimes described as a 'world', such as 'English-speaking world' or the like. And yes, the majorities in these countries who speak Arabic would describe themselves as 'Arabs' as well as 'Syrians', 'Egyptians' etc., why shouldn't they? Are you seriously claiming that people whose families have spoken Arabic and participated in Arabic culture for centuries shouldn't call themselves Arabs, just because of genetics?


View original postThe language of all these peoples is called Arabic, but we know that even there it isn't unified. Their cultures are a mix of indigenous ideas particular to their regions, culture from previous Arabic and non-Arabic empires and modern developments. It's like trying to say that "Europe" is a cultural monolith because of Christianity.

If you stopped trying to make everything so black and white, you'd realize nobody in this thread is calling the Arab world a 'cultural monolith'. There are things they have in common and things that they don't.
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