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So we are in agreement if we circle around Roland00 Send a noteboard - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM

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So some people do make the arguement.

Likewise lets bring it closer to home and make it more concrete (less Angels on Pins)

Currently there is an Idaho state congressman (who has yet to introduce a bill but announced this week, his name is Brent Crane`), and a Louisiana State Bill`` that has already gone through committee 7-2 who has defined Life in this way, once conceived it is life and the LA state can do homicide charges if that life dies.

`House State Affairs Committee Chairman Brent Crane, R-Nampa, said he would hold hearings on legislation banning emergency contraception and abortion pills during a Friday interview with Idaho Public Television.

``On Wednesday, Louisiana's House Committee for the Administration of Criminal Justice passed House Bill 813, which was authored by Republican state Representative Danny McCormick. The bill, which is being called the "Abolition of Abortion in Louisiana Act of 2022," says that the state should "Fully recognize the human personhood of an unborn child at all stages of development prior to birth from the moment of fertilization."

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We the US, we are a big country with 50 different states, and 7410 State Legislators before other positions like Governor and Attorney General. That is a lot of people and some of them are "nuts"

It is happening!


...and in Alaska, Colorodo, DC, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, and Vermont, there are no State restrictions on late-term abortions.

In Virginia in 2019, a bill was proposed to remove restrictions on performing late-term abortions from three doctor sign-offs down to one.

If your point is that there are extremes, than I give that to you. In fact, it is a point in favor of removing Federal jurisdiction.

It is my argument that the more complex an issue is, the more numerous the solutions need to be explored to find a proper way forward.


Both sides are paranoid, and can find examples to justify why the present is unbearable and how we think the immediate future is going to get so much worse.

Why is it going to get worse? Because states are going to make maximalists policies that actually do not reduce harm. Do not reduce abortions and mothers deaths in the worse case health scenario (for medical shit does happen), they will do so in order to feel in control, to feel righteous, to feel the zeal. I fear it is going to get worse for mankind loves our gratification and is a creature capable of self/other destruction in our lives excess.

One could do restrictions on third trimester Abortions under Roe and the other course cases that followed. But the near future gives us another chance to feel a higher level of control, agency, and self-zeal.

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