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Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Artsapat Send a noteboard - 04/04/2012 02:23:33 PM
His whole point isn't that she's passive, it's that she's not in control of her own decisions.
I would love to hear some examples from you, which show where he s wrong. It would help him to put his arguments (and to be honest yours too, which so far boils down to "I haven't really read what he said, but he is wrong, believe me";) in perspective.
The mystery deepens... I think. *MySmiley*
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The Hunger Games gets a ... different kind of review. Artsapat - 03/04/2012 03:37:39 PM 2364 Views
"Written by a female with femalist themes" Vivien - 03/04/2012 04:38:54 PM 1128 Views
Ok, I did and basically it's garbage. *NM* Vivien - 03/04/2012 04:53:00 PM 940 Views
I grant that I haven't read the Hunger Games yet LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:10:38 PM 1077 Views
No, it's totally off. *NM* Aeryn - 03/04/2012 05:39:03 PM 952 Views
fair enough. like I said, I haven't read it yet. *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 07:20:34 PM 879 Views
It's not. That's what shallow idiots say about things where women have power or physical skills *NM* Cannoli - 04/04/2012 03:45:22 PM 973 Views
I can only speak for the film, which was not feminist. ironclad - 03/04/2012 06:01:18 PM 1045 Views
Where do I start? Vivien - 03/04/2012 07:43:18 PM 1054 Views
Hermoine was the most kick ass of the Potter kids. MightyYT - 04/04/2012 03:08:17 AM 911 Views
So? Hunger Games has lots of male characters. Vivien - 04/04/2012 05:30:21 AM 973 Views
But that is exactly what feminist means "it could have been a boy just as well" Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:42:43 PM 1052 Views
His racism point... Artsapat - 04/04/2012 02:32:43 PM 856 Views
Makes me almost wish I knew the source material so I could judge what he is saying A Deathwatch Guard - 03/04/2012 10:50:48 PM 950 Views
Why don't you think the Hunger Games are feminist? Vivien - 03/04/2012 11:17:53 PM 1061 Views
Why would I consider it to be femenist? A Deathwatch Guard - 04/04/2012 01:51:24 AM 951 Views
I just don't consider feminism as something that has to be radical. Vivien - 04/04/2012 05:42:59 AM 1021 Views
Completely agree with your first paragraph ironclad - 04/04/2012 08:22:35 AM 993 Views
Re: Completely agree with your first paragraph DomA - 04/04/2012 01:43:55 PM 961 Views
To you "feminist" is a dirty word? To me, it means acceptable. Differences in definitions I think Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:50:32 PM 944 Views
Unfortunately truly ordinary female characters are so rare that the exceptions stand out Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:49:16 PM 1002 Views
Fair enough ironclad - 04/04/2012 02:33:22 PM 1043 Views
Stop using female as a noun! Vivien - 04/04/2012 03:51:13 PM 947 Views
It's stuff like that that makes you lose cred ironclad - 04/04/2012 05:26:24 PM 961 Views
It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. Legolas - 04/04/2012 07:30:18 PM 945 Views
I don't think Jens was really using it that way, though LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 07:34:28 PM 877 Views
Thank you! ironclad - 04/04/2012 08:03:38 PM 986 Views
Of course he didn't intend it that way, but that's how it sounds. Legolas - 04/04/2012 08:06:03 PM 964 Views
I understand that, but it's still such a ridiculous thing to get fussed over LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 09:20:01 PM 1011 Views
You are rather exaggerating just how "fussed" anyone did get, you do realize. Legolas - 04/04/2012 09:51:22 PM 916 Views
Her tone was not just "informative". It was accusatory LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:17:57 PM 890 Views
Female is perfectly acceptable to use in a medical/clinical setting. *NM* Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:36:57 PM 1126 Views
so if your problem is people using it disparagingly... LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:45:10 PM 861 Views
That's not what I said. Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:51:41 PM 972 Views
I'm going to have to just outright disagree with you then. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:54:25 PM 909 Views
Which flies in the face of it's ordinary usage, which smacks of needless revisionism. Dan - 06/04/2012 09:42:15 AM 924 Views
Oh please. Stop telling females to shut up. *NM* Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:45:58 PM 1000 Views
If I wanted to be accusatory... Vivien - 04/04/2012 11:05:37 PM 927 Views
Accusatory of what.i think you meant annoyed. So youre annoyed she was annoyed? Let's out this to re *NM* Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:44:17 PM 995 Views
Are you a native English speaker, Legolas? (Clarified to preempt possible internet tears) Dan - 06/04/2012 09:29:28 AM 955 Views
Nope. (edit) Legolas - 06/04/2012 07:23:54 PM 942 Views
Re: Nope. (edit) Dan - 07/04/2012 04:51:30 AM 1011 Views
"Female that"? That's even worse. Legolas - 07/04/2012 11:42:00 AM 893 Views
Ok. Dan - 07/04/2012 03:27:16 PM 1190 Views
Let's try and whittle this down some so as to help you with the quotes. Legolas - 07/04/2012 05:42:32 PM 898 Views
However he meant it, it was unpleasant to read. Just use "woman" instead. *NM* Aeryn - 05/04/2012 08:13:13 PM 849 Views
Re: It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:21:21 AM 951 Views
I think the language difference is really interesting. nossy - 05/04/2012 03:13:03 PM 963 Views
English is not French, and it's not German. Particularly the connotations of American English words Dan - 06/04/2012 09:39:00 AM 1030 Views
LOL! You don't say... DomA - 06/04/2012 05:06:20 PM 924 Views
LOL u so mad Dan - 06/04/2012 06:19:28 PM 912 Views
The prospect of "losing cred" is not going to stop me from speaking my mind. Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:30:03 PM 915 Views
My dear Aeryn - 09/04/2012 01:07:34 PM 981 Views
LOL ironclad - 09/04/2012 01:57:53 PM 803 Views
guess what, it is a noun. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 07:26:39 PM 788 Views
That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. nossy - 04/04/2012 08:19:02 PM 919 Views
well it's important that you say "female human" LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 09:28:45 PM 914 Views
Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:48:07 PM 900 Views
wait, so now you're claiming it's a grammatical thing? *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:58:31 PM 914 Views
No, I have issues with words that begin with the letter f. Vivien - 04/04/2012 11:09:45 PM 943 Views
ooookay then. LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 11:11:23 PM 996 Views
Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. nossy - 05/04/2012 02:08:26 AM 965 Views
Re: Stop using female as a noun! dacole - 05/04/2012 02:18:47 PM 855 Views
If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here. Vivien - 05/04/2012 05:59:16 PM 892 Views
For the record, I certainly don't think you're crazy town. nossy - 05/04/2012 07:23:18 PM 913 Views
Oh, so now we're using 'dislike' instead of 'should'. It's funny how you fell back on that. Dan - 06/04/2012 10:01:59 AM 937 Views
Fascinating. Vivien - 06/04/2012 09:54:47 PM 951 Views
Re: Fascinating. Dan - 07/04/2012 03:54:26 AM 935 Views
Just in case (however slim that chance may be) you are genuinely interested in citations/references. Vivien - 07/04/2012 05:34:37 AM 930 Views
What a joke. Do you even know what grammar is? Dan - 07/04/2012 05:57:40 AM 993 Views
Oh, come off it. This should be the point where you admit to being wrong. Legolas - 07/04/2012 12:11:07 PM 870 Views
Sorry, no. Read better. Dan - 07/04/2012 02:23:10 PM 903 Views
*deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. Legolas - 07/04/2012 06:38:08 PM 886 Views
Re: *deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. Dan - 07/04/2012 09:26:34 PM 1025 Views
Aha, we found the problem Aeryn - 09/04/2012 01:03:35 PM 1001 Views
You're being disingenuous. Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:57:38 PM 916 Views
Re: If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here. dacole - 09/04/2012 03:09:06 AM 912 Views
Nothing wrong with your use of female. You should ignore those crazy foreigners saying otherwise. *NM* snoopcester - 06/04/2012 02:49:41 PM 798 Views
I think I'll start saying males instead of men. If the males here don't mind? *NM* Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:58:54 PM 917 Views
To be fair Artsapat - 04/04/2012 02:37:25 PM 948 Views
You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:46:16 PM 975 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Artsapat - 04/04/2012 02:23:33 PM 924 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Bored - 04/04/2012 07:51:46 PM 925 Views
This Cannoli - 05/04/2012 12:20:04 AM 920 Views
Interesting. I really need to read these books soon, evidently. *NM* Legolas - 03/04/2012 10:52:43 PM 882 Views
I got half way through the review and got bored. MightyYT - 04/04/2012 03:09:58 AM 909 Views
And it appears the writer of the article completely missed a central point of the story *spoilers* Mat Maniac - 04/04/2012 05:44:40 AM 956 Views
I think that might be debatable Cannoli - 05/04/2012 06:59:35 PM 935 Views
She still made plenty of choices and she did choose to kill. Vivien - 05/04/2012 07:13:47 PM 878 Views
The reviewer is kind of full of it, but makes a good point about the character Cannoli - 04/04/2012 04:22:30 PM 981 Views
Out of curiosity (this off topic) LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 07:32:25 PM 888 Views
Rachel, of course. Cannoli - 05/04/2012 12:17:41 AM 953 Views
Well. Now I've actually seen it. (mild spoilers) Legolas - 09/04/2012 12:17:03 AM 991 Views
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