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You are rather exaggerating just how "fussed" anyone did get, you do realize. Legolas Send a noteboard - 04/04/2012 09:51:22 PM
It just doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe it's because I'm a veterinary student and I spend all day calling things male/female/neutered/spayed/intact/whatever. I'm used to referring to things by their definitions. It's just making a mountain out of a molehill to me.

I was hesitant to bring that up, but yes, maybe. :P
What I really do not understand is if the term female offends you so much..why does it make a difference whether it's used as a noun or an adjective? Why is okay to describe the gender of a group of individuals if they all have something else in common like profession or hobby? What if the only relevant commonality is their sex? I'm sorry, but I just don't see how Jens actually transgressed any rule besides "don't gross the tiny lines the PC police has drawn". He wasn't trying to be rude (English isn't even his first damned language) and he wasn't saying anything disparaging.

You do realize that you're the one who's making the biggest fuss about it out of everyone, yes? Vivien pointed out that Jens repeatedly used that term and that he really shouldn't, which I think most people would agree with. You apparently don't, fine. Still, it's a helpful suggestion, precisely *because* English isn't his first language so he probably didn't realize the connotations. I don't see any indication that Vivien or anybody else thought Jens was intentionally rude while using that word.

Your question about why it makes such a difference if it's a noun or an adjective seems fairly silly to me, since you're perfectly well aware of the connotations of the noun. Why do words have connotations - because people get used to hearing them in a certain context, I suppose. And if you object to the connotation and insist on continuing to use the word in the meaning that it should have in your eyes, well, then that's your choice, just as long as you're aware that you'll have to defend that choice on a regular basis. Especially when you're not a member of the concerned group - and even more so if you use the word in a discussion related to the sensitive issue in question. There's not a lot of people who will be giving you the benefit of the doubt under those circumstances.

And for people who don't know the connotation, for instance because they don't speak the language as a native speaker, they may have a good excuse for having used the word, but they should heed the lesson and be careful with it the next time. Happens often enough to me too. Or they can choose to make a point of it and insist on using the word they want to use (like many Europeans do with stubbornly refusing to use the term "soccer", for instance), but then at least they know that this can cause irritation or give offense.
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The Hunger Games gets a ... different kind of review. - 03/04/2012 03:37:39 PM 2402 Views
"Written by a female with femalist themes" - 03/04/2012 04:38:54 PM 1152 Views
Ok, I did and basically it's garbage. *NM* - 03/04/2012 04:53:00 PM 977 Views
I grant that I haven't read the Hunger Games yet - 03/04/2012 05:10:38 PM 1109 Views
No, it's totally off. *NM* - 03/04/2012 05:39:03 PM 969 Views
fair enough. like I said, I haven't read it yet. *NM* - 03/04/2012 07:20:34 PM 904 Views
I can only speak for the film, which was not feminist. - 03/04/2012 06:01:18 PM 1068 Views
Where do I start? - 03/04/2012 07:43:18 PM 1074 Views
Hermoine was the most kick ass of the Potter kids. - 04/04/2012 03:08:17 AM 931 Views
So? Hunger Games has lots of male characters. - 04/04/2012 05:30:21 AM 990 Views
His racism point... - 04/04/2012 02:32:43 PM 890 Views
Makes me almost wish I knew the source material so I could judge what he is saying - 03/04/2012 10:50:48 PM 966 Views
Why don't you think the Hunger Games are feminist? - 03/04/2012 11:17:53 PM 1080 Views
Why would I consider it to be femenist? - 04/04/2012 01:51:24 AM 974 Views
I just don't consider feminism as something that has to be radical. - 04/04/2012 05:42:59 AM 1041 Views
Completely agree with your first paragraph - 04/04/2012 08:22:35 AM 1026 Views
Re: Completely agree with your first paragraph - 04/04/2012 01:43:55 PM 992 Views
Unfortunately truly ordinary female characters are so rare that the exceptions stand out - 04/04/2012 01:49:16 PM 1021 Views
Fair enough - 04/04/2012 02:33:22 PM 1071 Views
Stop using female as a noun! - 04/04/2012 03:51:13 PM 969 Views
It's stuff like that that makes you lose cred - 04/04/2012 05:26:24 PM 994 Views
It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. - 04/04/2012 07:30:18 PM 968 Views
I don't think Jens was really using it that way, though - 04/04/2012 07:34:28 PM 894 Views
Thank you! - 04/04/2012 08:03:38 PM 1001 Views
Of course he didn't intend it that way, but that's how it sounds. - 04/04/2012 08:06:03 PM 983 Views
I understand that, but it's still such a ridiculous thing to get fussed over - 04/04/2012 09:20:01 PM 1030 Views
You are rather exaggerating just how "fussed" anyone did get, you do realize. - 04/04/2012 09:51:22 PM 936 Views
Her tone was not just "informative". It was accusatory - 04/04/2012 10:17:57 PM 909 Views
Female is perfectly acceptable to use in a medical/clinical setting. *NM* - 04/04/2012 10:36:57 PM 1144 Views
so if your problem is people using it disparagingly... - 04/04/2012 10:45:10 PM 876 Views
That's not what I said. - 04/04/2012 10:51:41 PM 1009 Views
I'm going to have to just outright disagree with you then. *NM* - 04/04/2012 10:54:25 PM 939 Views
If I wanted to be accusatory... - 04/04/2012 11:05:37 PM 953 Views
Are you a native English speaker, Legolas? (Clarified to preempt possible internet tears) - 06/04/2012 09:29:28 AM 974 Views
Nope. (edit) - 06/04/2012 07:23:54 PM 984 Views
Re: Nope. (edit) - 07/04/2012 04:51:30 AM 1044 Views
"Female that"? That's even worse. - 07/04/2012 11:42:00 AM 915 Views
Ok. - 07/04/2012 03:27:16 PM 1226 Views
Re: It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. - 05/04/2012 02:21:21 AM 983 Views
I think the language difference is really interesting. - 05/04/2012 03:13:03 PM 980 Views
English is not French, and it's not German. Particularly the connotations of American English words - 06/04/2012 09:39:00 AM 1068 Views
LOL! You don't say... - 06/04/2012 05:06:20 PM 952 Views
LOL u so mad - 06/04/2012 06:19:28 PM 936 Views
The prospect of "losing cred" is not going to stop me from speaking my mind. - 04/04/2012 10:30:03 PM 942 Views
My dear - 09/04/2012 01:07:34 PM 1000 Views
LOL - 09/04/2012 01:57:53 PM 820 Views
guess what, it is a noun. *NM* - 04/04/2012 07:26:39 PM 809 Views
That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. - 04/04/2012 08:19:02 PM 953 Views
well it's important that you say "female human" - 04/04/2012 09:28:45 PM 934 Views
Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. - 04/04/2012 10:48:07 PM 920 Views
wait, so now you're claiming it's a grammatical thing? *NM* - 04/04/2012 10:58:31 PM 939 Views
No, I have issues with words that begin with the letter f. - 04/04/2012 11:09:45 PM 968 Views
ooookay then. - 04/04/2012 11:11:23 PM 1012 Views
Re: Stop using female as a noun! - 05/04/2012 02:18:47 PM 871 Views
If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here. - 05/04/2012 05:59:16 PM 914 Views
For the record, I certainly don't think you're crazy town. - 05/04/2012 07:23:18 PM 936 Views
Oh, so now we're using 'dislike' instead of 'should'. It's funny how you fell back on that. - 06/04/2012 10:01:59 AM 957 Views
Fascinating. - 06/04/2012 09:54:47 PM 973 Views
Re: Fascinating. - 07/04/2012 03:54:26 AM 954 Views
Just in case (however slim that chance may be) you are genuinely interested in citations/references. - 07/04/2012 05:34:37 AM 952 Views
What a joke. Do you even know what grammar is? - 07/04/2012 05:57:40 AM 1014 Views
Oh, come off it. This should be the point where you admit to being wrong. - 07/04/2012 12:11:07 PM 891 Views
Sorry, no. Read better. - 07/04/2012 02:23:10 PM 923 Views
*deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. - 07/04/2012 06:38:08 PM 918 Views
Re: *deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. - 07/04/2012 09:26:34 PM 1055 Views
Aha, we found the problem - 09/04/2012 01:03:35 PM 1030 Views
You're being disingenuous. - 09/04/2012 12:57:38 PM 937 Views
To be fair - 04/04/2012 02:37:25 PM 968 Views
You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive - 04/04/2012 01:46:16 PM 994 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive - 04/04/2012 02:23:33 PM 938 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive - 04/04/2012 07:51:46 PM 943 Views
This - 05/04/2012 12:20:04 AM 938 Views
I got half way through the review and got bored. - 04/04/2012 03:09:58 AM 925 Views
And it appears the writer of the article completely missed a central point of the story *spoilers* - 04/04/2012 05:44:40 AM 979 Views
I think that might be debatable - 05/04/2012 06:59:35 PM 963 Views
She still made plenty of choices and she did choose to kill. - 05/04/2012 07:13:47 PM 905 Views
The reviewer is kind of full of it, but makes a good point about the character - 04/04/2012 04:22:30 PM 1011 Views
Out of curiosity (this off topic) - 04/04/2012 07:32:25 PM 910 Views
Rachel, of course. - 05/04/2012 12:17:41 AM 990 Views
Well. Now I've actually seen it. (mild spoilers) - 09/04/2012 12:17:03 AM 1008 Views