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You are rather exaggerating just how "fussed" anyone did get, you do realize. Legolas Send a noteboard - 04/04/2012 09:51:22 PM
It just doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe it's because I'm a veterinary student and I spend all day calling things male/female/neutered/spayed/intact/whatever. I'm used to referring to things by their definitions. It's just making a mountain out of a molehill to me.

I was hesitant to bring that up, but yes, maybe. :P
What I really do not understand is if the term female offends you so much..why does it make a difference whether it's used as a noun or an adjective? Why is okay to describe the gender of a group of individuals if they all have something else in common like profession or hobby? What if the only relevant commonality is their sex? I'm sorry, but I just don't see how Jens actually transgressed any rule besides "don't gross the tiny lines the PC police has drawn". He wasn't trying to be rude (English isn't even his first damned language) and he wasn't saying anything disparaging.

You do realize that you're the one who's making the biggest fuss about it out of everyone, yes? Vivien pointed out that Jens repeatedly used that term and that he really shouldn't, which I think most people would agree with. You apparently don't, fine. Still, it's a helpful suggestion, precisely *because* English isn't his first language so he probably didn't realize the connotations. I don't see any indication that Vivien or anybody else thought Jens was intentionally rude while using that word.

Your question about why it makes such a difference if it's a noun or an adjective seems fairly silly to me, since you're perfectly well aware of the connotations of the noun. Why do words have connotations - because people get used to hearing them in a certain context, I suppose. And if you object to the connotation and insist on continuing to use the word in the meaning that it should have in your eyes, well, then that's your choice, just as long as you're aware that you'll have to defend that choice on a regular basis. Especially when you're not a member of the concerned group - and even more so if you use the word in a discussion related to the sensitive issue in question. There's not a lot of people who will be giving you the benefit of the doubt under those circumstances.

And for people who don't know the connotation, for instance because they don't speak the language as a native speaker, they may have a good excuse for having used the word, but they should heed the lesson and be careful with it the next time. Happens often enough to me too. Or they can choose to make a point of it and insist on using the word they want to use (like many Europeans do with stubbornly refusing to use the term "soccer", for instance), but then at least they know that this can cause irritation or give offense.
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The Hunger Games gets a ... different kind of review. - 03/04/2012 03:37:39 PM 2319 Views
"Written by a female with femalist themes" - 03/04/2012 04:38:54 PM 1094 Views
Ok, I did and basically it's garbage. *NM* - 03/04/2012 04:53:00 PM 909 Views
I grant that I haven't read the Hunger Games yet - 03/04/2012 05:10:38 PM 1035 Views
No, it's totally off. *NM* - 03/04/2012 05:39:03 PM 903 Views
fair enough. like I said, I haven't read it yet. *NM* - 03/04/2012 07:20:34 PM 847 Views
I can only speak for the film, which was not feminist. - 03/04/2012 06:01:18 PM 1008 Views
Where do I start? - 03/04/2012 07:43:18 PM 1013 Views
Hermoine was the most kick ass of the Potter kids. - 04/04/2012 03:08:17 AM 875 Views
So? Hunger Games has lots of male characters. - 04/04/2012 05:30:21 AM 936 Views
His racism point... - 04/04/2012 02:32:43 PM 822 Views
Makes me almost wish I knew the source material so I could judge what he is saying - 03/04/2012 10:50:48 PM 920 Views
Why don't you think the Hunger Games are feminist? - 03/04/2012 11:17:53 PM 1022 Views
Why would I consider it to be femenist? - 04/04/2012 01:51:24 AM 913 Views
Completely agree with your first paragraph - 04/04/2012 08:22:35 AM 962 Views
Re: Completely agree with your first paragraph - 04/04/2012 01:43:55 PM 929 Views
Unfortunately truly ordinary female characters are so rare that the exceptions stand out - 04/04/2012 01:49:16 PM 966 Views
Fair enough - 04/04/2012 02:33:22 PM 1006 Views
Stop using female as a noun! - 04/04/2012 03:51:13 PM 914 Views
It's stuff like that that makes you lose cred - 04/04/2012 05:26:24 PM 925 Views
It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. - 04/04/2012 07:30:18 PM 912 Views
I don't think Jens was really using it that way, though - 04/04/2012 07:34:28 PM 848 Views
Thank you! - 04/04/2012 08:03:38 PM 949 Views
Of course he didn't intend it that way, but that's how it sounds. - 04/04/2012 08:06:03 PM 931 Views
I understand that, but it's still such a ridiculous thing to get fussed over - 04/04/2012 09:20:01 PM 971 Views
You are rather exaggerating just how "fussed" anyone did get, you do realize. - 04/04/2012 09:51:22 PM 884 Views
Her tone was not just "informative". It was accusatory - 04/04/2012 10:17:57 PM 857 Views
Female is perfectly acceptable to use in a medical/clinical setting. *NM* - 04/04/2012 10:36:57 PM 1099 Views
so if your problem is people using it disparagingly... - 04/04/2012 10:45:10 PM 828 Views
That's not what I said. - 04/04/2012 10:51:41 PM 942 Views
I'm going to have to just outright disagree with you then. *NM* - 04/04/2012 10:54:25 PM 878 Views
If I wanted to be accusatory... - 04/04/2012 11:05:37 PM 890 Views
Are you a native English speaker, Legolas? (Clarified to preempt possible internet tears) - 06/04/2012 09:29:28 AM 921 Views
Nope. (edit) - 06/04/2012 07:23:54 PM 906 Views
Re: Nope. (edit) - 07/04/2012 04:51:30 AM 972 Views
"Female that"? That's even worse. - 07/04/2012 11:42:00 AM 866 Views
Ok. - 07/04/2012 03:27:16 PM 1150 Views
Re: It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. - 05/04/2012 02:21:21 AM 919 Views
I think the language difference is really interesting. - 05/04/2012 03:13:03 PM 925 Views
English is not French, and it's not German. Particularly the connotations of American English words - 06/04/2012 09:39:00 AM 998 Views
LOL! You don't say... - 06/04/2012 05:06:20 PM 892 Views
LOL u so mad - 06/04/2012 06:19:28 PM 880 Views
The prospect of "losing cred" is not going to stop me from speaking my mind. - 04/04/2012 10:30:03 PM 879 Views
My dear - 09/04/2012 01:07:34 PM 939 Views
LOL - 09/04/2012 01:57:53 PM 773 Views
guess what, it is a noun. *NM* - 04/04/2012 07:26:39 PM 758 Views
That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. - 04/04/2012 08:19:02 PM 883 Views
well it's important that you say "female human" - 04/04/2012 09:28:45 PM 879 Views
Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. - 04/04/2012 10:48:07 PM 870 Views
wait, so now you're claiming it's a grammatical thing? *NM* - 04/04/2012 10:58:31 PM 880 Views
No, I have issues with words that begin with the letter f. - 04/04/2012 11:09:45 PM 909 Views
ooookay then. - 04/04/2012 11:11:23 PM 966 Views
Re: Stop using female as a noun! - 05/04/2012 02:18:47 PM 823 Views
If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here. - 05/04/2012 05:59:16 PM 861 Views
For the record, I certainly don't think you're crazy town. - 05/04/2012 07:23:18 PM 875 Views
Oh, so now we're using 'dislike' instead of 'should'. It's funny how you fell back on that. - 06/04/2012 10:01:59 AM 892 Views
Fascinating. - 06/04/2012 09:54:47 PM 920 Views
Re: Fascinating. - 07/04/2012 03:54:26 AM 897 Views
Just in case (however slim that chance may be) you are genuinely interested in citations/references. - 07/04/2012 05:34:37 AM 896 Views
What a joke. Do you even know what grammar is? - 07/04/2012 05:57:40 AM 954 Views
Oh, come off it. This should be the point where you admit to being wrong. - 07/04/2012 12:11:07 PM 836 Views
Sorry, no. Read better. - 07/04/2012 02:23:10 PM 868 Views
*deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. - 07/04/2012 06:38:08 PM 851 Views
Re: *deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. - 07/04/2012 09:26:34 PM 970 Views
Aha, we found the problem - 09/04/2012 01:03:35 PM 958 Views
You're being disingenuous. - 09/04/2012 12:57:38 PM 878 Views
To be fair - 04/04/2012 02:37:25 PM 914 Views
You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive - 04/04/2012 01:46:16 PM 942 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive - 04/04/2012 02:23:33 PM 888 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive - 04/04/2012 07:51:46 PM 894 Views
This - 05/04/2012 12:20:04 AM 881 Views
I got half way through the review and got bored. - 04/04/2012 03:09:58 AM 856 Views
And it appears the writer of the article completely missed a central point of the story *spoilers* - 04/04/2012 05:44:40 AM 923 Views
I think that might be debatable - 05/04/2012 06:59:35 PM 898 Views
She still made plenty of choices and she did choose to kill. - 05/04/2012 07:13:47 PM 848 Views
The reviewer is kind of full of it, but makes a good point about the character - 04/04/2012 04:22:30 PM 947 Views
Out of curiosity (this off topic) - 04/04/2012 07:32:25 PM 851 Views
Rachel, of course. - 05/04/2012 12:17:41 AM 916 Views
Well. Now I've actually seen it. (mild spoilers) - 09/04/2012 12:17:03 AM 959 Views