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The prospect of "losing cred" is not going to stop me from speaking my mind. Vivien Send a noteboard - 04/04/2012 10:30:03 PM
For as long as I am going to post on the Books and TV/Movies boards here, I am going to speak my mind. I can't promise that I won't reconsider posting here at all, but that's another issue.

I am no native speaker. I just checked. The word can be used as noun.


I appreciate your admission that you're not a native speaker. Even though it *can be* used as a noun, doesn't mean it should. I think you should be aware of the messages you're sending by the words you're choosing to use, especially if you don't actually intend on sending those messages!

Now you can continue using female as a noun all you want when you're talking about women (I'm not going to point it out to you after this, in case you were worried) but now you know that it has negative connotations and you can't claim ignorance as an excuse in the future.
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The Hunger Games gets a ... different kind of review. Artsapat - 03/04/2012 03:37:39 PM 2402 Views
"Written by a female with femalist themes" Vivien - 03/04/2012 04:38:54 PM 1152 Views
Ok, I did and basically it's garbage. *NM* Vivien - 03/04/2012 04:53:00 PM 976 Views
I grant that I haven't read the Hunger Games yet LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:10:38 PM 1109 Views
No, it's totally off. *NM* Aeryn - 03/04/2012 05:39:03 PM 969 Views
fair enough. like I said, I haven't read it yet. *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 07:20:34 PM 904 Views
It's not. That's what shallow idiots say about things where women have power or physical skills *NM* Cannoli - 04/04/2012 03:45:22 PM 989 Views
I can only speak for the film, which was not feminist. ironclad - 03/04/2012 06:01:18 PM 1067 Views
Where do I start? Vivien - 03/04/2012 07:43:18 PM 1074 Views
Hermoine was the most kick ass of the Potter kids. MightyYT - 04/04/2012 03:08:17 AM 931 Views
So? Hunger Games has lots of male characters. Vivien - 04/04/2012 05:30:21 AM 990 Views
But that is exactly what feminist means "it could have been a boy just as well" Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:42:43 PM 1069 Views
His racism point... Artsapat - 04/04/2012 02:32:43 PM 889 Views
Makes me almost wish I knew the source material so I could judge what he is saying A Deathwatch Guard - 03/04/2012 10:50:48 PM 966 Views
Why don't you think the Hunger Games are feminist? Vivien - 03/04/2012 11:17:53 PM 1079 Views
Why would I consider it to be femenist? A Deathwatch Guard - 04/04/2012 01:51:24 AM 974 Views
I just don't consider feminism as something that has to be radical. Vivien - 04/04/2012 05:42:59 AM 1041 Views
Completely agree with your first paragraph ironclad - 04/04/2012 08:22:35 AM 1026 Views
Re: Completely agree with your first paragraph DomA - 04/04/2012 01:43:55 PM 992 Views
To you "feminist" is a dirty word? To me, it means acceptable. Differences in definitions I think Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:50:32 PM 961 Views
Unfortunately truly ordinary female characters are so rare that the exceptions stand out Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:49:16 PM 1020 Views
Fair enough ironclad - 04/04/2012 02:33:22 PM 1070 Views
Stop using female as a noun! Vivien - 04/04/2012 03:51:13 PM 969 Views
It's stuff like that that makes you lose cred ironclad - 04/04/2012 05:26:24 PM 993 Views
It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. Legolas - 04/04/2012 07:30:18 PM 967 Views
I don't think Jens was really using it that way, though LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 07:34:28 PM 893 Views
Thank you! ironclad - 04/04/2012 08:03:38 PM 1001 Views
Of course he didn't intend it that way, but that's how it sounds. Legolas - 04/04/2012 08:06:03 PM 983 Views
I understand that, but it's still such a ridiculous thing to get fussed over LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 09:20:01 PM 1030 Views
You are rather exaggerating just how "fussed" anyone did get, you do realize. Legolas - 04/04/2012 09:51:22 PM 935 Views
Her tone was not just "informative". It was accusatory LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:17:57 PM 909 Views
Female is perfectly acceptable to use in a medical/clinical setting. *NM* Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:36:57 PM 1143 Views
so if your problem is people using it disparagingly... LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:45:10 PM 876 Views
That's not what I said. Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:51:41 PM 1009 Views
I'm going to have to just outright disagree with you then. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:54:25 PM 939 Views
Which flies in the face of it's ordinary usage, which smacks of needless revisionism. Dan - 06/04/2012 09:42:15 AM 945 Views
Oh please. Stop telling females to shut up. *NM* Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:45:58 PM 1022 Views
If I wanted to be accusatory... Vivien - 04/04/2012 11:05:37 PM 953 Views
Accusatory of what.i think you meant annoyed. So youre annoyed she was annoyed? Let's out this to re *NM* Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:44:17 PM 1015 Views
Are you a native English speaker, Legolas? (Clarified to preempt possible internet tears) Dan - 06/04/2012 09:29:28 AM 973 Views
Nope. (edit) Legolas - 06/04/2012 07:23:54 PM 983 Views
Re: Nope. (edit) Dan - 07/04/2012 04:51:30 AM 1044 Views
"Female that"? That's even worse. Legolas - 07/04/2012 11:42:00 AM 915 Views
Ok. Dan - 07/04/2012 03:27:16 PM 1226 Views
Let's try and whittle this down some so as to help you with the quotes. Legolas - 07/04/2012 05:42:32 PM 928 Views
However he meant it, it was unpleasant to read. Just use "woman" instead. *NM* Aeryn - 05/04/2012 08:13:13 PM 878 Views
Re: It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:21:21 AM 983 Views
I think the language difference is really interesting. nossy - 05/04/2012 03:13:03 PM 980 Views
English is not French, and it's not German. Particularly the connotations of American English words Dan - 06/04/2012 09:39:00 AM 1067 Views
LOL! You don't say... DomA - 06/04/2012 05:06:20 PM 952 Views
LOL u so mad Dan - 06/04/2012 06:19:28 PM 935 Views
The prospect of "losing cred" is not going to stop me from speaking my mind. Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:30:03 PM 942 Views
My dear Aeryn - 09/04/2012 01:07:34 PM 1000 Views
LOL ironclad - 09/04/2012 01:57:53 PM 820 Views
guess what, it is a noun. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 07:26:39 PM 809 Views
That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. nossy - 04/04/2012 08:19:02 PM 953 Views
well it's important that you say "female human" LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 09:28:45 PM 934 Views
Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:48:07 PM 920 Views
wait, so now you're claiming it's a grammatical thing? *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:58:31 PM 939 Views
No, I have issues with words that begin with the letter f. Vivien - 04/04/2012 11:09:45 PM 968 Views
ooookay then. LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 11:11:23 PM 1012 Views
Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. nossy - 05/04/2012 02:08:26 AM 991 Views
Re: Stop using female as a noun! dacole - 05/04/2012 02:18:47 PM 871 Views
If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here. Vivien - 05/04/2012 05:59:16 PM 914 Views
For the record, I certainly don't think you're crazy town. nossy - 05/04/2012 07:23:18 PM 935 Views
Oh, so now we're using 'dislike' instead of 'should'. It's funny how you fell back on that. Dan - 06/04/2012 10:01:59 AM 957 Views
Fascinating. Vivien - 06/04/2012 09:54:47 PM 973 Views
Re: Fascinating. Dan - 07/04/2012 03:54:26 AM 953 Views
Just in case (however slim that chance may be) you are genuinely interested in citations/references. Vivien - 07/04/2012 05:34:37 AM 952 Views
What a joke. Do you even know what grammar is? Dan - 07/04/2012 05:57:40 AM 1014 Views
Oh, come off it. This should be the point where you admit to being wrong. Legolas - 07/04/2012 12:11:07 PM 891 Views
Sorry, no. Read better. Dan - 07/04/2012 02:23:10 PM 923 Views
*deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. Legolas - 07/04/2012 06:38:08 PM 918 Views
Re: *deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. Dan - 07/04/2012 09:26:34 PM 1055 Views
Aha, we found the problem Aeryn - 09/04/2012 01:03:35 PM 1030 Views
You're being disingenuous. Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:57:38 PM 937 Views
Re: If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here. dacole - 09/04/2012 03:09:06 AM 939 Views
Nothing wrong with your use of female. You should ignore those crazy foreigners saying otherwise. *NM* snoopcester - 06/04/2012 02:49:41 PM 817 Views
I think I'll start saying males instead of men. If the males here don't mind? *NM* Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:58:54 PM 935 Views
To be fair Artsapat - 04/04/2012 02:37:25 PM 967 Views
You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:46:16 PM 994 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Artsapat - 04/04/2012 02:23:33 PM 938 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Bored - 04/04/2012 07:51:46 PM 943 Views
This Cannoli - 05/04/2012 12:20:04 AM 938 Views
Interesting. I really need to read these books soon, evidently. *NM* Legolas - 03/04/2012 10:52:43 PM 902 Views
I got half way through the review and got bored. MightyYT - 04/04/2012 03:09:58 AM 925 Views
And it appears the writer of the article completely missed a central point of the story *spoilers* Mat Maniac - 04/04/2012 05:44:40 AM 979 Views
I think that might be debatable Cannoli - 05/04/2012 06:59:35 PM 962 Views
She still made plenty of choices and she did choose to kill. Vivien - 05/04/2012 07:13:47 PM 904 Views
The reviewer is kind of full of it, but makes a good point about the character Cannoli - 04/04/2012 04:22:30 PM 1010 Views
Out of curiosity (this off topic) LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 07:32:25 PM 909 Views
Rachel, of course. Cannoli - 05/04/2012 12:17:41 AM 990 Views
Well. Now I've actually seen it. (mild spoilers) Legolas - 09/04/2012 12:17:03 AM 1007 Views
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